Chrome vs Iron (Privacy Comparison) with Poll for Chrome users

[Earth]

As point out here using Google's URL Shortening service.

(09-18-2012 11:16 PM)MRF71 wrote:  Google is too nosey
http://goo.gl/oKiSV

I don't see how Iron is any better than Chrome, where some of their features help and protect their users to stay updated and secure, or provide helpful alternate suggestions. (Of course most being optional).

The Article suggests these are "problems", when they're not, but to lure users to download and use SRWare Iron.



Ignore the download text, forgot to crop it off.

[Umbra Polaris]

To add to the discussion :

https://insanitybit.wordpress.com/2012/0...chrome-21/

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SRWare Iron Browser – A Real Private Alternative To Chrome?

Iron Browser claims to eliminate “critical points that the privacy concern” aka: it’s trying to solve Chrome privacy issues.

A noble endeavor. Except it’s all a load of s**t and the label “scamware” is fairly fitting (or at the very least “scareware”).

Iron v Chrome

Iron has a page called “Iron Vs Chrome” that ‘matches up’ the privacy features. This is actually the easiest thing to point to to say “wow, this browser really is bullshit.”

1) Installation-ID

This is the only privacy ‘concern’ that isn’t option. Some facts:

    The installation ID only runs once and then it’s removed.
    The installation ID contains no personal information, it’s gibberish

2) Suggest

Suggest is referring to the omnibox suggestions. In order to predict what you’re searching for Chrome sends the text in the URL bar to the default search engine (Chrome has no default search engine, you choose on installation.) You are then subject to that search engines privacy restrictions, I use DuckDuckGo so it’s really them logging me.

This is entirely configurable. You can disable it with absolute ease. All Iron has done is disable the option by default and removed the ability to enable it. To disable it check the Chrome Privacy Settings.

3) Alternate Error Pages

The Iron developer is really reaching with this one. When Chrome hits a page that can’t be reached it replaces the error message.

A few facts:

    Navigation errors are first checked locally.
    Only a hash is sent to google.
    All GET parameters are removed.

And, of course, it can be easily disabled. Again, all Iron has done is disable a feature and not give you the option to add it back.

4) RLZ-Tracking

The RLZ string is an encoded string that contains no indentifying information. It’s used purely to gauge how well promotional campaigns did ie: if an ad runs on Monday they want to know how many people downloaded it Tuesday. That’s the kind of information in the RLZ String and the source code is provided to decode the RLZ and look inside.

It couldn’t really be less malicious unless you have a problem with Google knowing that someone out in the wide world downloaded their browser on a Tuesday.

You can disable this on Linux. Not Windows. It also doesn’t even exist in typical builds downloaded from Google’s website, only for builds having to do with marketing campaigns.

5) Google Updater

Another big reach. Iron is now claiming that this is a privacy failure. I literally have absolutely no idea what the hell this guys point is for this one so it’s incredibly difficult to refute. The updater is open source. At this point it should be clear that the developer has 0 credibility and is just pulling things out of his ass.

6) URL-Tracker

Google stupidly named this feature “URL-Tracker” which sounds really awful. It’s really not, and they just picked a horrible name.

Basically the URL Tracker connects to three random sites. It does this to check your DNS configuration in order to tell whether your DNS tries to resolve error pages or if Chrome should. Nothing scary here and it’s handled in a very nice way.

So, we’ve now discredited Iron in terms of its use. Obviously it offers absolutely nothing to the user in terms of privacy. I personally think it’s time to discredit the developer on a more personal level, because, honestly, the project just really annoys me.

Why Does Iron Exist?

Since Iron provides nothing to the user you have to ask yourself, why does it exist? Very simple, and a bit obvious – money. The Iron developer plays off of users fear, creating ‘privacy issues’ where none exist. And how does he get money? Very ironically he uses Google Adsense.

In a conversation with Chromium devs the Iron developer essentially states that he has no interest in making commits to Chromium to improve privacy and is only after the ad revenue.

<mgreenblatt> Iron.. why not propose a patch based on preprocessor defines that disables the sections you dislike without forking the code?
<Iron> because a fork will bring a lot of publicity to my person and my homepage
<Iron> that means: a lot of money too ;)
<Iron> i dont take money for my fork
<Iron> but i have adsense on my page ;)  
<Iron> a lot of visitor -> a lot of clicka > a lot of money ;)
<Iron> we are here in germany
<Iron> the press will love my fork
<Iron> i talked to much journalists already
<DrPizza> Why are you forking?
<DrPizza> to do what?
<Iron> to remove all things in source talking to google ;)  
<jamessan> to get fame and fortune
<Iron> nobody here trusts google
<Iron> the german people say: google is very evil
<jamessan> yet you use google's adsense

Sure seems trustworthy! Yes, that’s the Iron developer outright saying that he’s playing off of fears rampant in Germany and he’s in it for the adsense money. If you’re supporting the Iron browser you are supporting a product that provides a false sense of privacy, it outright degrades what privacy is about – disclosure and integrity.

I’m a pretty crappy programmer and I could probably do what Iron’s done. It’s just deleting a few snippets of code. Of course, the developer hasn’t really released the source code in forever so… yeah… that also brings me to my point of it not exactly being open source. I think the last I checked I couldn’t find source code for any recent version of Iron.

Chrome and Chromium are pretty privacy oriented. At least to a fair extent. There’s a Chromium privacy team and they are very responsible. I’ve personally bugged Mike West with my questions on multiple occasions and he’s been nothing but quick to respond and helpful, which has lead to a bug fix or two. Recently I dealt with another member of the Chromium privacy team and got another feature request for privacy, which they took seriously instead of simply saying “no go away.”

The simple fact is that Iron is a scam and the developer is using you. It’s  snake oil and it’s dangerous. You’re going to be slower to patch and you’re going to think you’re ‘more private’ when you aren’t.

Don’t support scamware. If you see someone recommending Iron browser simply link them to some information. On a very personal level scamware like this bothers me, it’s flat out lying to users and making a profit on them while putting their privacy and security at risk and that really just annoys me.

Sources

https://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/www.google.com/en/us/intl/en/landing/chrome/google-chrome-privacy-whitepaper.pdf

http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html

mikewest.org/2011/09/chrome-privacy

mattcutts.com/blog/google-chrome-communication/

[Earth]

Thank you, I know this was brought up before about Iron being Scamware, but to those who belief Chrome is a real threat to Privacy, maybe they shouldn't use the Internet.

Sorry, but it annoys me that people belief those articles.

Edit: Updated Poll: Chrome users: Tick any you think are a privacy risk?

[Umbra Polaris]

The funny thing is when you type "iron browser scareware", the article appears first in the list

i still prefer use Dragon that has real privacy features instead of Iron, most Chrome "privacy issues" can be disabled by tweaking it.

the only "issues" i can see are Error Reporting, Suggest and URL-tracker, but it is not big deal

[Earth]

What are the Dragon privacy features again?

[Umbra Polaris]

I am not sure if it is different from Chrome except the security features (used chrome only one time ^^)

[Littlebits]

I have said it before and will say it again, if you want to use the best and most secure Chromium based browser then use Google Chrome.

All of the others are just clones of the original with missing security features, missing vulnerability patches and offer nothing that can't be added by an Chromium extension.

To me all other Chromium based browser are just a joke.

When Google Chrome first came out, yes it did have some privacy issues but they changed most of them, removed the client ID, it has been gone for awhile now. However it has never removed from the comparison on SRWare's homepage. If you would like to know Comodo Dragon does include a client ID to track users. Read Comodo Dragon's privacy policy.

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[Overkill]

This should be in the war room lol
I think google knows too much about us already, I'd just rather use something non-google is all...Comodo is doing very well with their dragon browsers so I may just ditch iron and just run Comodo stuff

[Umbra Polaris]

Not to say that Dragon is faster on my system than Chrome (at least compared with the last time i used Chrome)

I don't really mind of privacy issues, i have nothing sensitive here, if they want to know which porn sites i visit, i can give them the list freely

[Overkill]

lol...when was the last time you used chrome?