Anti-Malware and Antivirus software TOO MUCH?

Adz.

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Hi,

I am a VERY heavy PC user like literally heavy, i've been infected from malware and viruses constantly in the past, been robbed from hackers. Time goes by i started installing some advance protection softwares like ESET I have the protection softwares installed on my PC...

Comodo firewall (All Turned ON)
ESET Nod32 (Full Realtime protection ON)
Malwarebytes 3.0 (On-demand ONLY)
Emsisoft Anti-Malware (Full Realtime protection ON)
HitmanPro Alert (All turned ON)
and few other lightweight portable standalone on demand protection/cleaners like spywareblaster n etc...

Q. Is this too much for heavy multitasking protection?
Q. Is excluding other anti malware/virus software files/folders REALLY necessary?
Q. Any major conflicts, are they're compatible with running besides each other^?
Q. What other protection softwares do you recommend with this combo?

Cheers!
 
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I am a VERY heavy PC user like literally heavy

Fully describe what you mean by "I am VERY heavy PC user..."

What exactly do you do on your system ?

File-sharing, FTP, P2P, torrents, USB-sharing, key-gens\cracks\warez, always installing unknown softs, use macros, heavy e-mail client usage, open e-mails indiscriminately,... ?

You get the point.

Once others know what you are doing, then they can provide appropriate advice and recommendations.

If you are doing things that you know put you at high-risk of infection, then simply stop doing those things. Moderation goes a long way in eliminating many infections.
 
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I wouldn't run two real time protection AVs together (Emsisoft and Eset).

Both are good AVs. Pick one.

Q. Is this too much for heavy multitasking protection?
I woudn't run that much at one time. I prefer clean performance over layers of bloat.

Q. Is excluding other anti malware/virus software files/folders REALLY necessary?
I would use one real time AV.

Q. Any major conflicts, are they're compatible with running besides each other^?
see above

Q. What other protection softwares do you recommend with this combo?
None
 

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I wouldn't run two real time protection AVs together:

Emsisoft Anti-Malware (Full Realtime protection ON)

ESET Nod32 (Full Realtime protection ON)

Q. Is this too much for heavy multitasking protection?
I woudn't run that much at one time.

Q. Is excluding other anti malware/virus software files/folders REALLY necessary?
I would use one real time AV.

Q. Any major conflicts, are they're compatible with running besides each other^?
see above

Q. What other protection softwares do you recommend with this combo?
None

Didn't see your reply sorry, Emsisoft antimalware is AM not AV? So i turned RT protection on both my ESET and Emsisoft?
 
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Didn't see your reply sorry, Emsisoft antimalware is AM not AV? So i turned RT protection on both my ESET and Emsisoft?

I use the term AV as an old general term of a real time scanner. Emsisoft uses two engines (Bitdefender and Emsisoft). The Bitdefender engine is used for static signatures and from what I heard, Emsisoft uses their own engine for PUPs and other blacklisted signatures. They also have a BB. Both are good real time AM solutions.

I personally like to run as little as possible.

I don't layer myself with too much RT software on my PC. I use:

1. Light RT AM solution.
2. Windows 10 w/ updated patches
3. Remove exploited software (Java, Flash, etc).
4. Use LastPass for password management.
5. Virustotal uploader for questionable software that I need a second opinion on.
6. Zemana and Malwarebytes for second opinions when I'm bored or paranoid.
7. Secure browser with adblocker (Chrome w/ Ublock Origin).

You can go further with sandboxing, HTTPs everywhere, Anti-EXEs, etc. I don't do that though. I like Ant-EXEs, but haven't found one that are easy to use for both myself and my clients. (except KIS TAM, SecureAplus, Avast w/ Hardened Mode)
 
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Emsisoft stopped being compatible with other AVs a long time ago.

You will have to choose between Emsisoft Antimalware or ESET NOD32

ESET is lighter, but it might offer less protection unless you know how to use HIPS. Emsisoft, while it is light, it is a little heavier than ESET, and might offer better protection due to its behavior blocker.

Btw, do you have any issues with Malwarebytes 3.0.? If you feel your computer is heavy, try uninstalling it and see if that fixes the problem. People have ran into issues with it.
 

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Just like what @Azure Phoenix said, pick either Emsisoft or ESET.

Either way, I see no real problem, except that pairing them with COMODO Firewall may have adverse effects, given that COMODO has an aggressive HIPS.

If you want a complete protection, though, my suggestion is to install Kaspersky Internet Security and turn on Trusted Applications Mode (a default-deny protection model). You can have default-deny model with COMODO too, though. :)
 
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You said it :)

Sorry, didn't understand his response until Jeff posted.

Ya, I would change your habits ;P

The thing about warez/cracks/keygens is that it is hard to know whether they are legit or not. At some point (even with an Anti-exe) you will have to add an exception and cross your fingers.

You can sandbox everything, but eventually you will need to run it outside a sandbox for it to work properly (pretty sure on this).
 
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Sorry, didn't understand his response until Jeff posted.

Ya, I would change your habits ;P

The thing about warez/cracks/etc is that it is hard to know whether they are legit or not. At some point (even with an Anti-exe) you will have to add an exception and cross your fingers.

You can sandbox everything, but eventually you will need to run it outside a sandbox for it to work properly (pretty sure on this).

I use sandboxie to run such programs, i've had issues in the past with the warez/cracks never run em without an appropriate action. Something along that line lol.

Antivirus don't be much help to programs like warez and hacks in this generation. Deep hidden coded malware codes are undetectable.

Emsisoft stopped being compatible with other AVs a long time ago.

You will have to choose between Emsisoft Antimalware or ESET NOD32

ESET is lighter, but it might offer less protection unless you know how to use HIPS. Emsisoft, while it is light, it is a little heavier than ESET, and might offer better protection due to its behavior blocker.

Btw, do you have any issues with Malwarebytes 3.0.? If you feel your computer is heavy, try uninstalling it and see if that fixes the problem. People have ran into issues with it.

One of those softwares i stated do slow me down of course but i don't know which one is pressurizing my computer :c
I also run "process hacker" similar to windows task manager to find what's hunting my computer, with so much stuff going on your computer you will need an alternative tasker.

But i don't know if it's really malwarebytes that's causing it, i will just have to try enabling and disabling realtime protection on all my AVs and AMs to test. I guess i have to search about Malwarebytes new resource hog feature lol.
 
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Maybe my recommendation would be to have two different PCs. One for important stuff only and one for whatever else you do :p

The one that you install questionable stuff on, run Shadow Defender or an image backup (acronis, reflect).
 
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Maybe my recommendation would be to have two different PCs. One for important stuff only, one for whatever else you do :p

The one that you install questionable stuff on, run Shadow Defender or an image backup (acronis, reflect).

I have heard about it, i'll give it a try if it does really help.
 
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I use sandboxie to run such programs, i've had issues in the past with the warez/cracks never run em without an appropriate action. Something along that line lol.
Antivirus don't be much help to programs like warez and hacks in this generation. Deep hidden coded malware codes are undetectable.

One day a great underground investigator called Umbra, observed and used those mercenaries, and after years of investigations, he deducted than some careless inhabitants even invited suspicious guests in their own house. So all the mage's defenses and mercenaries would be useless...

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Hi,

I am a VERY heavy PC user like literally heavy, i've been infected from malware and viruses constantly in the past, been robbed from hackers. Time goes by i started installing some advance protection softwares like ESET I have the protection softwares installed on my PC...

Comodo firewall (All Turned ON)
ESET Nod32 (Full Realtime protection ON)
Malwarebytes 3.0 (On-demand ONLY)
Emsisoft Anti-Malware (Full Realtime protection ON)
HitmanPro Alert (All turned ON)
and few other lightweight portable standalone on demand protection/cleaners like spywareblaster n etc...

Q. Is this too much for heavy multitasking protection?
Q. Is excluding other anti malware/virus software files/folders REALLY necessary?
Q. Any major conflicts, are they're compatible with running besides each other^?
Q. What other protection softwares do you recommend with this combo?

Cheers!

If you want to go around the world on the net safely without getting infected then, IMO, your set up is ok.

Of course you can have AppGuard, VS, Sandboxie, ReHips etc and others install as well provided all the software don't clash, have no incompatibility and they don't misbehave.

You can even have NO security software (by turning off WD and its firewall too) and surf safely without getting infected if you only surf MT, Wilders Security Forums and BleepingComputer websites.
 

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You can even have NO security software (by turning off WD and its firewall too) and surf safely without getting infected if you only surf MT, Wilders Security Forums and BleepingComputer websites.
No, you can still be infected even if you visit known safe sites because these so-called safe sites can be hijacked to serve malware. Although, of course, the chances of getting infected through those sites are very slim.
 

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No, you can still be infected even if you visit known safe sites because these so-called safe sites can be hijacked to serve malware. Although, of course, the chances of getting infected through those sites are very slim.
I believe sites like MT, Wilders Security Forums and BleepingComputer are heavily fortified, right? Don't believe ask the admins.

Any if any gets infected it'll shut down immediately. So surfing them without security software is SAFE
 
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As a system resource Nazi that is a very triggering security setup to read about. My level 1 advice would be to improve your security knowledge and habits that way you don't have to rely so heavily on security software. Improving my own knowledge and habits was the single most effective security solution that I've incorporated.
 

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You might have a hundred security programs on your computer, but there is an inherent problem with cracks and warez etc: they will usually trigger a response from your security software, because they are doing something tricky. And you can't know whether it is malicious or not. So you will ignore your 100 security programs, and go ahead and run the crack. Sooner or later, you will get infected.

If you want to test out risky stuff that you downloaded, do it in a virtual machine.
 

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