Even when told not to, Windows 10 just can’t stop talking to Microsoft

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Windows 10 uses the Internet a lot to support many of its features. The operating system also sports numerous knobs to twiddle that are supposed to disable most of these features and the potentially privacy-compromising connections that go with them.

Unfortunately for privacy advocates, these controls don't appear to be sufficient to completely prevent the operating system from going online and communicating with Microsoft's servers.

For example, even with Cortana and searching the Web from the Start menu disabled, opening Start and typing will send a request to www.bing.com to request a file called threshold.appcache which appears to contain some Cortana information, even though Cortana is disabled. The request for this file appears to contain a random machine ID that persists across reboots.

Complete story @ http://arstechnica.com/information-...ndows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/



PS: If it wasn't for DX-12 I would have never upgraded to Win10. :mad:
 

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Well i planned to get a Gaming PC for some years now, but when i read this i would like to get away from Microsoft.......

But with Boot Camp and DirectX 12 you can get away partially from Windows at least. Or you can use Parallels Desktop to run Windows virtually.
 

Enju

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If this keeps going im done with MS, but you cant use OSX or Linux really for gaming......
Apple is not a bit better than MS http://lifehacker.com/lets-talk-about-apples-privacy-issues-1655944758 .
I just don't get why it keeps poping up with Windows 10 now, the same things already happened with Windows 8/8.1 (the only exception is Cortana), seems like MS made everything right with 10 otherwise people wouldn't start nitpicking about "features" that have been there for years. :rolleyes:
 
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Windows 10 has raised privacy concerns over its default settings, which share speech, calendar and contact information with Microsoft. Now it has emerged that even if the user chooses not to share anything with Microsoft at all, the system will still regularly contact Redmond.

According to ArsTechnica, Windows 10 pings Microsoft during certain tasks without explaining why or even giving any indication that contact is taking place, with the news site having to use specialist tools to make the discovery.

Windows 10 regularly contacts ssw.live.com, a server apparently used for Microsoft services such as OneDrive cloud storage. During testing, contact was still made even when the system was logged in on an account not connected to Microsoft with OneDrive disabled. Other data was harder to identify, but when the system was configured to use a proxy for traffic, Windows 10 still seemingly bypassed the proxy to send requests to a content delivery network.

The system also seems to request Cortana files when a user starts typing in the Start menu, even if Cortana -- Microsoft's virtual personal assistant -- is switched off entirely and Start menu web searches are disabled. Worryingly, this request includes a random machine ID persistent across reboots, which means multiple requests could be identified as coming from one machine.

Privacy is a growing problem for end users, as customers become more concerned with how their data is being used and what they can do to control it. Ello, the social network competitor to Facebook, has capitalized on this by issuing a social networking “bill of rights” that it says every user should be entitled to. It includes giving users the ability to turn off data tracking and full control over posted content. Apple has also committed itself to user privacy by focusing on restricting third party app data access in iOS 9.

In a statement responding to the concerns, Microsoft said: “As part of delivering Windows 10 as a service, updates may be delivered to provide ongoing new features to Bing search, such as new visual layouts, styles and search code. No query or search usage data is sent to Microsoft, in accordance with the customer's chosen privacy settings. This also applies to searching offline for items such as apps, files and settings on the device.”
 

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It seems we have to accept that if we choose to use windows 10 for free we have to give up our privacy!
Microsoft are hiding something.
 

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As operating systems come to rely more and more on cloud connected services, everything from a digital personal assistant to file sharing, there comes a sometimes mutually exclusive tradeoff between complete privacy and added functionality. When systems are properly managed this choice in a tradeoff should be a normal and practical decision for the end user. However, when it is starting look like users are being deprived of the choice between absolute privacy over added functionality, then things begin to alarm privacy advocates.

As WinBeta reported earlier this week in our how to section, the privacy features of Windows 10 have been getting a lot of attention and some skeptical responses. Under moving to a Software as a Service model, Windows 10 is more connected to Microsoft with more frequent updates and more interconnected cloud service features. This has created a worrying sense for some that Windows 10 is almost always on and always communicating with Microsoft. But to its credit Windows 10 does provide an extensive privacy settings panel that allows you to toggle off everything from your advertising ID, to your location, to what information individual apps are and aren’t allowed to access and much more.

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However, Ars Technica investigated this further and discovered that even when the privacy settings are enabled, “these controls don't appear to be sufficient to completely prevent the operating system from going online and communicating with Microsoft's servers.”

Arts Technica notes that some of the traffic is obviously harmless, such as Windows 10 simply trying to establish if there is an internet connection. And some of this traffic contains no machine IDs or other data specific to your device. There are even further ways to disabling this.

But there is some traffic that was reported as looking “harmless but feels like it shouldn't be happening.” For example, the Start menu will attempt to pull data to update Live Tiles from MSN even if all live tiles have been removed from the Start menu, presumably removing the need to pull any updating information for Live Tiles. Again this information contains nothing that identifies the user, Ars Technica notes that “it's not clear why they're occurring at all, given that they have no corresponding tile.”

What Ars Technica discovered that does look “a little more troublesome” is that Windows 10 still periodically sends data to the server used for OneDrive and other certain Microsoft services, even when OneDrive is disabled and the Windows 10 user is signed on through a local account not tied to a Microsoft Account. Ars Technica concluded that the information being sent appears to be referencing telemetry settings, even when telemetry was disabled.

Some information was also found to be “quite impenetrable” as their tests were conducted on a virtual machine with HTTP and HTTPS proxy that Windows 10 was able to bypass for certain requests to a content delivery network.

Ars Technica reached out to Microsoft for comment on how to disable this additional communication and why it is being sent. Microsoft responded saying,

"As part of delivering Windows 10 as a service, updates may be delivered to provide ongoing new features to Bing search, such as new visual layouts, styles and search code. No query or search usage data is sent to Microsoft, in accordance with the customer's chosen privacy settings. This also applies to searching offline for items such as apps, files and settings on the device."

Ars Tecnica says that Microsoft’s statement is consistent with what they saw, and that the traffic could be innocuous, but “the inclusion of a machine ID gives it a suspicious appearance.”

As powerful search engines like Bing become our local device’s internal search mechanism, it only makes sense that certain features built into the offline portions of the OS would need to be kept on parity with the online version, especially under a Software as a Service model. And that this could be accomplished in a way that doesn’t compromise privacy but allows for Microsoft to deliver appropriate updates and services when possible. Still, privacy, and transparency about privacy are going to continue to be hot button issues, and Microsoft could do more to communicate exactly what's going on.
 
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