Q&A Looking for replacement for Outpost Firewall

Agent 47

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May 30, 2021
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What's the current most Outpost-like Firewall for Windows 10? (Windows 8.1 loses support in January of 2023 and Outpost won't work on current versions of Windows 10.) Should have HIPs too, but not anti-virus or anti-malware scanning, as I have other solutions for that. Also, I'm not convinced I will move to Windows 10 given its telemetry (and other reasons), so what about an Outpost-like Firewall on Linux?

I would prefer either open-source or non-US-based Firewalls, as presumably US companies are compelled to provide backdoors. Not interested in anything interfacing with Windows firewall. I want my OS and firewall from different vendors - layered security and all that.

I thought about Kaspersky Firewall, which still seems to exist. Does it approach Outpost in behavior, or will I be very disappointed? The most important Outpost feature to me is "learning mode" where you'll get a popup for behavior that's yet unknown, allowing you to permanently approve or disapprove, creating a rule.

Finally, why hasn't Outpost's source code been GPL'd and put on Github so devoted fans can maintain it? I know they were bought by someone but apparently their product was thrown away. Was that the point of the purchase, to kill off the product?
 

JoyousBudweiser

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Since you are already migrating to windows why not use the built-in windows firewall with the help from Binisoft windows firewall control application. You can also use hard configurator to tighten up the windows firewall & defender too. If you are brave enough to use an alpha stage software you can also try Portmaster firewall. But as venustus said comodo (with Cs settings) would be a great choice for ultimate security.
 

CyberDevil

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What's the current most Outpost-like Firewall for Windows 10?
If we talk about Windows, I would suggest you try the firewall from Symantec Endpoint Protection, it is very powerful and reliable, the firewall module can be installed separately without an antivirus, and the use it is free, although it is unofficial. The only problem for you is that like Comodo, Broadcom (owners of Symantec) is an USA company.

You can also try Simplewall , which is a simple solution based on the Windows filtering platform that has telemetry blocking and supports the creation of various rules. The application code is open, and there are many good reviews about it.

The Portmaster mentioned above is also very good, although I have a few questions about its work, which I will write about in the corresponding topic later, but in general it is already possible to use it, they also have a version for Linux, but I can't say anything about working in Linux.

Finally, why hasn't Outpost's source code been GPL'd and put on Github so devoted fans can maintain it?
Outpost was acquired by Yandex, a company specializing in advertising and marketing, so you can't expect any charity here. In addition, no one knows, perhaps the code has some patent violations. Unfortunately, this is the same story as with Opera Presto, its code was also asked to be made open, but this never happened, although it could have had a very good effect on the Internet as a whole.
 
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JoyousBudweiser

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There is absolutely no sense in avoiding usa made products if you are using windows 10. By using windows 10 you are already transferring some telemetry to usa based company called microsoft. IMHO no other company would collect more telemetry than microsoft had already collected from you. So it's pointless to avoid a us based company just to avoid telemetry to them.
 

Agent 47

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May 30, 2021
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Some of the responses above are ignoring that I asked for a non-US solution, and one that doesn't rely on Windows firewall. Commodo, ZoneAlarm, ... those are all US-based companies. That would be fine if they were open source, but they aren't.
There is absolutely no sense in avoiding usa made products if you are using windows 10. By using windows 10 you are already transferring some telemetry to usa based company called microsoft. IMHO no other company would collect more telemetry than microsoft had already collected from you. So it's pointless to avoid a us based company just to avoid telemetry to them.
I can block Windows telemetry with various approaches including paid solutions. The danger from US-made firewalls isn't just telemetry, but potential backdoors to allow access into your system. If you're suggesting that Windows itself has backdoors, then that's exactly why I want a non-US firewall from a company other than Microsoft. So that such access can be detected and blocked. I already block most Windows services with my current firewall.
 

show-Zi

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I didn't understand that ZoneAlarm was from the United States. I apologize for that.
It seems that you are looking for a firewall, but if you also tell us the configuration of the security software etc. used in the main, I think that a more helpful message will be delivered.
Why not consider introducing Kaspersky or eset with a built-in firewall?
 

Spawn

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Try this crowd-sourced website to find a replacement:

Unless you can find a solution, most software will either be FOSS/WFP, or Proprietary/American. Either way you should Avoid Windows all together, below are some Linux recommendations for anonymity connecting over Tor. Linux will be your saviour.


I have no knowledge about Firewalls for Linux. Have a look here: Security for macOS and Linux
What's the current most Outpost-like Firewall for Windows 10?

Also, I'm not convinced I will move to Windows 10 given its telemetry (and other reasons), so what about an Outpost-like Firewall on Linux?
 
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JoyousBudweiser

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Some of the responses above are ignoring that I asked for a non-US solution, and one that doesn't rely on Windows firewall. Commodo, ZoneAlarm, ... those are all US-based companies. That would be fine if they were open source, but they aren't.

I can block Windows telemetry with various approaches including paid solutions. The danger from US-made firewalls isn't just telemetry, but potential backdoors to allow access into your system. If you're suggesting that Windows itself has backdoors, then that's exactly why I want a non-US firewall from a company other than Microsoft. So that such access can be detected and blocked. I already block most Windows services with my current firewall.
What you are looking for is non existent product, there is nothing much to choose when it comes to firewall and there is absolutely nothing when the choice boils downs to free to use open source firewall that too made outside US of A. Yes you can block telemetry using firewall and other software but you cant block everything, your windows 10 update require some amount of telemetry, if you block it it wont work and thats a big no no for security stand point. If you use chrome thats a magnet for telemetry same is the case for edge chromium and to some extent Firefox too and things gets even murkier when you logs in to Facebook, google and other social media apps. So what I am saying is to focus only on security as the other conditions are hard to fulfill for the time being.
 
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ForgottenSeer 85179

I can block Windows telemetry with various approaches including paid solutions. The danger from US-made firewalls isn't just telemetry, but potential backdoors to allow access into your system. If you're suggesting that Windows itself has backdoors, then that's exactly why I want a non-US firewall from a company other than Microsoft. So that such access can be detected and blocked. I already block most Windows services with my current firewall.
You know that a software firewall can't solve your problem don't know?
If you fear backdoors, such can easily circumstances your firewall. Don't matter if US based or not or OpenSource. Badness enumerating doesn't work.

It also doesn't make sense blocking Windows internal features. This just crippling down your system, will end in problems and even in an insecure system.
 

show-Zi

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What you are looking for is non existent product, there is nothing much to choose when it comes to firewall and there is absolutely nothing when the choice boils downs to free to use open source firewall that too made outside US of A. Yes you can block telemetry using firewall and other software but you cant block everything, your windows 10 update require some amount of telemetry, if you block it it wont work and thats a big no no for security stand point. If you use chrome thats a magnet for telemetry same is the case for edge chromium and to some extent Firefox too and things gets even murkier when you logs in to Facebook, google and other social media apps. So what I am saying is to focus only on security as the other conditions are hard to fulfill for the time being.
You know that a software firewall can't solve your problem don't know?
If you fear backdoors, such can easily circumstances your firewall. Don't matter if US based or not or OpenSource. Badness enumerating doesn't work.

It also doesn't make sense blocking Windows internal features. This just crippling down your system, will end in problems and even in an insecure system.
I agree. Countermeasures for telemetry are the same as exercise. Overdoing it will affect your physical condition.🏋️‍♀️
 
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