Wich VPN would you choose?

  • OkayFreedom VPN

    Votes: 8 66.7%
  • Seed4.Me VPN

    Votes: 4 33.3%
  • Total voters
    12

Tiamati

Level 8
Verified
Hello! Recently we had/have 2 giveaways of 1 year service from OkayFreedom VPN and Seed4.Me VPN. So i'd like your opinion about both, as you actually can get a premium copy of any of them for a year now.

I've been testing OkayFreedom VPN for almos a month now, and till now i have some great impressions about it. I reduces around 10-15% of my internet speed, allow torrent and i didn't face any problem when using any site till now (despite a few "are you sure you're not a robot" questions :emoji_expressionless:). The privacy police seems ok. They promise to never save IP or adress from the user and don't require an email to get acess to the service. The only problem is with the collect of data by Steganos:

Steganos does not pass along users' personal data to third parties, unless the user previously has provided their express consent or unless there is a legal obligation to do so. An exception is made for certain technical service providers who have been carefully selected by and are under instruction from Steganos to carry out certain tasks. Such tasks include (for example) the distribution of newsletters (processing of project data), the collection and processing of anonymous data for usage patterns or integration of partner programs, as well as the collection of information about software errors that have occured for the improvement of the OkayFreedom website. NEITHER STEGANOS NOR THE COMMISSIONED DATA PROCESSOR SHALL GAIN ACCESS TO WEB ADDRESSES OR CONTENT VISITED BY AN IDENTIFIABLE USER IF AN OKAYFREEDOM VPN SERVER ROUTED THEM THERE.

Users consent to Steganos using their data for its (Steganos') own purposes and to having data transmitted in anonymous or pseudnonymous form to partners for the presenting of personalized advertisements or special offers and services via the OkayFreedom service. NEITHER STEGANOS NOR THE ADVERTISING PARTNER SHALL GAIN ACCESS TO WEB ADDRESSES OR CONTENT VISITED BY AN IDENTIFIABLE USER IF AN OKAYFREEDOM VPN SERVER ROUTED THEM THERE.

Preface
OkayFreedom is a virtual private network service (hereafter: "Service" or "VPN Service"), which can route Internet traffic via a computer (a so-called VPN server) to various regions. This enables a user to hide his IP address from telemedia services and encrypt data traffic. This service is made possible by software (hereafter: "Software" or "Product"), which the user installs on their computer. The Service is offered by Steganos Software GmbH, Storkower Str. 158, 10407 Berlin, Germany (hereafter: „Steganos“). The following privacy policy applies to the use of OkayFreedom and is part of the Terms and Conditions.

§1 No data storage when using a VPN server
The OkayFreedom service saves neither addresses nor content accessed by the user, the IP address that OkayFreedom assigned to them; nor the user's own IP address through which they are using OkayFreedom. As a result, it is not possible for Steganos to ascertain the content an OkayFreedom user has accessed. Neither the IP address of the user nor that of the accessed servers are saved.

§2 Pseudonymous user-ID instead of e-mail address
Personal data (e.g., email address) isn’t required for the use of OkayFreedom’s free version. For billing and load balancing purposes, OkayFreedom determines which data volume (only the amount of data transmitted, not addresses or content) belongs to which pseudonymous user-ID. The pseudonymous ID is derived from the hash value of the computer's MAC address on which OkayFreedom is being used and is not traceable to a particular computer or user.

§3 De-coupling the payment process from the pseudonymous user-ID
When booking a premium account through Steganos' e-commerce provider, a user will be asked for personal details. THE E-COMMERCE PROVIDER—LIKE STEGANOS—WILL NOT GAIN ACCESS AT ANY POINT IN TIME TO ADDRESSES OR CONTENT OF WEBSITES VISITED BY AN IDENTIFIABLE USER IF AN OKAYFREEDOOM VPN SERVER ROUTED THEM THERE.

§4 Collection and usage of data by Steganos
(1) Within the framework of OkayFreedom's free-of-charge offering, Steganos will only use the user's voluntarily given e-mail address for the provision of offers / services described here (see Terms and Conditions). In particular, Steganos utilizes the user's e-mail address to send updates, newsletters and/or current information. The user can unsubscribe from the newsletter.

(2) Steganos wishes to offer the best service possible to its customers. Under certain circumstances, therefore, the software asks customers whether it may transmit their e-mail address to Steganos for the purpose of informing them about product innovations and special offers. The transmission is voluntary and happens only with express consent of the customer. To save the customer the effort of entering their e-mail address, Steganos software under certain circumstances tries to gather the address. Should the customer agree to transmitting their e-mail address but later decide against receiving further information by Steganos via e-mail, they can unsubscribe with no justification required.

(3) Steganos automatically records certain information of users of the www.okayfreedom website that cannot be attributed to them, including IP address and browser type. THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO THE USE OF THE OKAYFREEDOM VPN SERVER; WHICH STORES NO DATA OF THIS TYPE.

§5 Dissemination of information to third parties
Steganos does not pass along users' personal data to third parties, unless the user previously has provided their express consent or unless there is a legal obligation to do so. An exception is made for certain technical service providers who have been carefully selected by and are under instruction from Steganos to carry out certain tasks. Such tasks include (for example) the distribution of newsletters (processing of project data), the collection and processing of anonymous data for usage patterns or integration of partner programs, as well as the collection of information about software errors that have occured for the improvement of the OkayFreedom website. NEITHER STEGANOS NOR THE COMMISSIONED DATA PROCESSOR SHALL GAIN ACCESS TO WEB ADDRESSES OR CONTENT VISITED BY AN IDENTIFIABLE USER IF AN OKAYFREEDOM VPN SERVER ROUTED THEM THERE.

§6 Use of cookies
Cookies are small files that can be "placed" on a user's computer by the server (for example the server of the OkayFreedom website). These files can contain various information, including personal data, to improve the user’s Internet experience. The OkayFreedom website utilizes cookies to record information about a session -- for example, to adjust the display of a website to a user's profile. Most browsers are set up to automatically accept cookies.. Every user can configure their browser to accept or refuse certain cookies or to generate a permission-to-use query. How this works for each browser can be found in its respective documentation or „Help“ function. It is not necessary to enable cookies to use OkayFreedom. The use of cookies on OkayFreedom by advertisers and other third parties is subject to the data privacy policies of the advertisers / third parties; thus the data privacy policies of OkayFreedom do not apply.

§7 Support
If a user avails himself of our support, their inquiry will be stored in a database along with voluntarily provided information (where available). This information is for the exclusive use of our support team for processing the inquiry. The data collected in this manner will also be used by Steganos for statistical analysis. Neither the raw data nor the results of the analysis (nor any portion thereof) will be made accessible to third parties.

§8 Access to the OkayFreedom VPN server and the webserver
We store user data on specially protected servers. Access is resticted to a few specially authorized persons.

§9 Personalized advertisements
Users consent to Steganos using their data for its (Steganos') own purposes and to having data transmitted in anonymous or pseudnonymous form to partners for the presenting of personalized advertisements or special offers and services via the OkayFreedom service. NEITHER STEGANOS NOR THE ADVERTISING PARTNER SHALL GAIN ACCESS TO WEB ADDRESSES OR CONTENT VISITED BY AN IDENTIFIABLE USER IF AN OKAYFREEDOM VPN SERVER ROUTED THEM THERE.

§10 Google Analytics
This website uses Google analytics, a website analysis service by Google Inc. („Google“). Google Analytics utilizes cookies (text files that are stored on your computer that enable the analysis of website usage by you). Information gathered from the cookies regarding your use of the website (including your IP address) are transmitted to a server in the USA by Google and are stored there. Google uses this information to analyze usage of the website, to generate reports about the website's activity for the website owner and to produce more services connected to the utilization of website- and Internet usage. Google may also, where applicable, transmit this information to third parties when legally required to do so or when third parties process this data on Google's behalf. Under no circumstances will Google relate your IP address to other data from Google. You can adjust your browser to prevent the installation of cookies; please note that in doing so, you may not be able to use the entire functionality and scope of the website. By using this website, you consent to the processing of your data that Google collects using the previously described methods for the previously mentioned purposes. GOOGLE HAS NO ACCESS TO WEB ADDRESSES OR CONTENT VISITED BY AN IDENTIFIABLE USER IF AN OKAYFREEDOM VPN SERVER ROUTED THEM THERE.

§11 Children
Persons under the age of 18 should not submit any personal data to us without the consent of their parents or guardians.

§12 Changes of policy
Steganos reserves the right to change this privacy policy at any time as long as these changes are compliant with German law.

§13 Questions and comments
If you need information about the data we have stored or if you have questions, suggestions or comments concerning the protection of your data, please send us an e-mail privacy@okayfreedom.com.

However, the say that all that information are anonymous... Not the best scenario, but not the worst too, in my opinion. Besides that Steganos is behind some good quality privacy suits as far as I know, including it's own VPN and password manager, and it's based on Germany

However, idk a lot about Seed4.Me VPN. It does not sound good in my first impressions. So, i'd like your opinion about both :oops:

Terms of Service
This is an agreement between you and Seed4.Me for virtual private network communications services, related services and features ("the Service")
The Agreement that governs your Use of the Service include these Terms of Service ("ToS"), any Seed4.Me Service Agreement you have agreed to, and the specific Rate Plan or Service Plan Information that applies to your account.
THIS VERSION OF ToS SUPERSEDES ALL PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF SERVICE AGREEMENT. PLEASE READ THESE T&C'S CAREFULLY BEFORE ACTIVATING OR USING THE SERVICE. YOUR ACTIVATION AND USE OF THE SERVICE REPRESENTS YOUR AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND BY THESE ToS'S AND A REPRESENTATION THAT YOU ARE OF LEGAL AGE. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, DO NOT USE THE SERVICE.
Usage Policies
Account Holder agrees to comply with all applicable laws and regulations in connection with their use of this service. Account Holder further agrees that they or anyone using their account will not engage in any of the following activities:
  • Sending or transmitting unsolicited advertisements or content ("spam") over the Seed4.Me service, whether via email, usenet, or any other communication channel.
  • Sending or transmitting any illegal content over the Seed4.Me service, whether via email, usenet, or any other communication channel including without limitation child pornography.
  • Uploading, posting, reproducing, or distribution of any content protected by copyright, or other proprietary right, without first having obtained permission of the copyright owner.
  • Engaging in any conduct that restricts or inhibits any other Account Holder from using or enjoying the Seed4.Me Service.
  • Attempting to access, probe, or connect to computing devices without proper authorization.
  • Posting to or transmitting through the Seed4.Me Service any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable material of any kind, including, but not limited to, any material which encourages conduct that may constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, federal or international law.
  • Using the Seed4.Me Service for anything other than lawful purposes.
Violations of this Usage Policy will result in termination of your Account, without any refund of amounts previously paid for this service. Additionally, Account Holder will be held responsible for any and all damages incurred by Seed4.Me including any amounts charged by any outside entity due to said violation(s) including without limitation attorney fees and costs.
Content Disclaimer: Cautions and Restrictions
We do not control, nor are we responsible for any data, content, services, or products (including software) that you access, download, receive or buy while using the Service. We may, but do not have any obligation to block information, transmissions or access to certain information, services, products or domains to protect the Service, our network, the public or our users. We are not a publisher of third-party content accessed through the Service and are not responsible for the content, accuracy, timeliness or delivery of any opinions, advice, statements, messages, services, graphics, data or any other information provided to or by third parties as accessible through the Service.
You are responsible for paying all fees and charges of any third party vendors whose sites, products or services you access, buy or use via the Service. If you choose to use the Service to access web sites, services or content, or purchase products from third parties, your personal information may be available to the third-party provider. How third parties handle and use your personal information related to their sites and services is governed by their security, privacy and other policies (if any) and not ours. We have no responsibility for third party provider policies, or their or your compliance with them. If you elect to download into your computer or otherwise enable any software, including any "client" designed to facilitate your access of the Service, you shall be solely responsible for, and shall be deemed to have reviewed and, to the extent applicable, acknowledged, accepted or waived, any disclosures, notices or options otherwise made available to you for viewing as part of the log-in process for the Service.
Service Availability
Actual service coverage, speeds, locations and quality may vary. The Service will attempt to be available at all times except for limited periods for maintenance and repair. However the Service may be subject to unavailability for a variety of factors beyond our control including emergencies, third party service failures, transmission, equipment or network problems or limitations, interference, signal strength, and may be interrupted, refused, limited or curtailed. We are not responsible for data, messages or pages lost, not delivered, delayed or misdirected because of interruptions or performance issues with the Service or communications services or networks (e.g., T-1 lines or the Internet). We may impose usage or Service limits, suspend Service, or block certain kinds of usage in our sole discretion to protect users or the Service. Network speed is an estimate and is no indication of the speed at which your or the Service sends or receives data. Actual network speed will vary based on configuration, compression, network congestion and other factors. The accuracy and timeliness of data received is not guaranteed; delays or omissions may occur.
Account Policies
Account Holder purchases payment points which are transferred to his balance. Payment points can not be tranfered to another account balance. Service access period can be extended by consuming payment points from Account Holder balance.
Extended time is accounted on a continuous calendar basis, not on a timed use basis. Extending access for 24 hours means that Account Holder can access the Seed4.Me service for 24 hours period. It does not mean that the Account Holder can access the Seed4.Me service for 24 hours of connected time (unless that 24 hours is in the 24 hours period).
Account Holder is responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of his/her password and is liable for any harm resulting from disclosing or allowing disclosure of any password. In the event of a breach of security, Account Holder will remain liable for any unauthorized use of the Seed4.Me Service until Account Holder notifies Seed4.Me.
Account Holder can cancel their account at any time, but remaining balance will not be refunded to them back. However payment points purchase can be refunded unless user extended access period, after the last time payment was done.
Seed4.Me reserves the right to terminate an account immediately for violating any section of this agreement. In this case, no any refund is possible. Seed4.Me can cancel an account at any time by providing notice to the Account Holder.
The user is responsible for all charges (e.g. HotSpot access fees, in-room network fees) and equipment (e.g. wireless card, cables) associated with connecting to the Seed4.Me service.
Seed4.Me Rights
Seed4.Me reserves the right to install, manage and operate one or more software, monitoring or other solutions designed to assist us in identifying and/or tracking activities that we consider to be illegal or violations of these ToS's. We may, but are not obligated to, in our sole discretion, and without notice, remove, block, filter or restrict by any means any materials or information (including but not limited to emails) that we consider to be actual or potential violations of the restrictions set forth in these ToS's, and any other activities that may subject Seed4.Me or its customers to liability. Seed4.Me disclaims any and all liability for any failure on its part to prevent such materials or information from being transmitted over the Service and/or into your computing device.
Limitation of Liability and Disclaimer of Warranty
ACCOUNT HOLDER EXPRESSLY AGREES THAT USE OF THE SEED4.ME SERVICE IS AT ACCOUNT HOLDER'S SOLE RISK. NEITHER SEED4.ME, ITS EMPLOYEES, AFFILIATES, AGENTS, THIRD-PARTY INFORMATION PROVIDERS, MERCHANTS, LICENSORS OR THE LIKE, WARRANT THAT THE SEED4.ME SERVICE WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR FREE; NOR DO THEY MAKE ANY WARRANTY AS TO THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF THE SEED4.ME SERVICE, OR AS TO THE ACCURACY, RELIABILITY OR CONTENT OF ANY INFORMATION, SERVICE, OR MERCHANDISE PROVIDED THROUGH THE SEED4.ME SERVICE. NEITHER SEED4.ME NOR ANY OF ITS INDEPENDENT NETWORK SERVICE PROVIDERS MAKE ANY REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, THAT ACCESS WILL BE AVAILABLE FROM YOUR LOCATION.
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Tiamati

Level 8
Verified
Mullvad or Nord, if I were to choose.
I've heard good things about Nord. If i had to buy now, it would be an option. But i've never heard about Mullvard and IVPN

I second IVPN. They have seemed the most trustworthy. I haven’t tried Mullvad, but they’d be my next choice.
I agree that a lot of people look for that. But there are others that just care about privacy and don't want a Company knowing more about them than themselves. It's a concerning problem, as privacy is beem more and more disrespected ...
 

MrBananaxx

Level 2
Interesting option. I'll check more info about them later. They seem to have a good privacy politic at leat. But how is speed and wich server they offer on free plan?
The speed is good. As for server in the free version there are:
- 2 servers in the US
- 3 servers in the Netherlands
- 3 servers in Japan
 

blackice

Level 26
Verified
Mullvad or Nord, if I were to choose.
Nord is as shady as they come in my book.
I've heard good things about Nord. If i had to buy now, it would be an option. But i've never heard about Mullvard and IVPN


I agree that a lot of people look for that. But there are others that just care about privacy and don't want a Company knowing more about them than themselves. It's a concerning problem, as privacy is beem more and more disrespected ...
IVPN and Mullvad both have shown they hold privacy at the highest standard. You haven’t heard of them because they don’t have affiliate advertising (which controls most VPN review sites) and are more expensive. Nord is as shady as it gets. Look for Nord’s ownership. No one takes responsibility for the company and they are owned by a shell company which may or may not be owned by a data mining organization. They hide behind ‘security’ and have zero responsibility. If they turned out to be mining people’s data or acting in any underhanded manner there is no one to be held responsible.
 
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