pablozi

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In their own words: privacytools.io is a socially motivated website that provides information for protecting your data security and privacy.
Why delist Brave
Main reason is posted as follows:

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However there were some more concerns regarding their ethics, widely advertised fingerprinting protection not working as suggested (some people say that Brave have more unique fingerprint that Google Chrome) etc.
You can read more here:

Looks like it's an ongoing issue sine 2017.
 

oldschool

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No. It's an issue of ideology on the part of the PrivacyTools community.
Definitely. It's also related to the "Is Brave connected to Google?" issue, which they refuted long ago on their website. Firefox users (especially its hardcore believers) obviously won't use or like Chromium anything. OTOH, a privacy/security crusader like The Hated One (whom I respect) thinks it's a good option for some users who want to increase their privacy out-of-the-box.

This vid is 2 years old, but his main points are still relevant
 

Arequire

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Definitely. It's also related to the "Is Brave connected to Google?" issue, which they refuted long ago on their website. Firefox users (especially its hardcore believers) obviously won't use or like Chromium anything.
Yep. They're hostile to Chromium and attribute any use of it as supporting Google's continuing dominance of web standards.

The second issue is Brave's advertising ambitions. The PT community are against advertising altogether so they view Brave's attempt at creating a privacy-respecting ecosystem with disdain, regardless of the fact that the advertising component is opt-in and wholly optional.
 
The real issue with Brave browser is that it is monetized via the Basic Attention Token. The whole point of Brave browser is to track users and award them BAT for advertising purposes.

So anyone who thinks Brave is the ultra-privacy-oriented browser, they're wrong.


On the one hand, there is the claim that Brave is a privacy oriented browser, yet it does all that tracking necessary for BAT rewards.


Stage 1: Brave Browser
Brave is a fast, open source, privacy-focused browser that blocks malvertisements, trackers, and contains a ledger system that anonymously captures user attention to accurately reward publishers.
Stage 2: Basic Attention Token The Basic Attention Token can be used to obtain a variety of advertising and attention-based services on the BAT platform, as it is exchanged between publishers, advertisers, and users. The token’s utility is derived from — or denominated by — user attention. Attention is really just focused mental engagement — on an advertisement, in this case.
Stages 1 + 2 = A New Deal
The Brave browser knows where users spend their time, making it the perfect tool to calculate and reward publishers with BATs. This service creates a transparent and efficient Blockchain-based digital advertising market. Publishers receive more revenue because middlemen and fraud are reduced. Users opt-in to an inclusive and rewarding private ad experience. And advertisers get better data on their spending.
 

oldschool

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BAT/Rewards is an option which the user must opt-in to. And it offers the ability to opt-out of telemetry, etc. for those who want an ad-free experience.

I doubt anyone thinks Brave is "the ultra-privacy-oriented browser". It is simply one option of several available. Users can choose browsers based on how much effort they want to make to have some semblance of privacy. For the Tin Hat crowd, there is TOR, ETE encrypted email, etc.

Some users, probably many, don't bother about privacy at all and instead look only for convenience. OTOH investigative journalists, for example, would be advised to take extraordinary measures to protect their privacy - and their security. Their very lives may well depend on it.
 
Y'all are assuming that Brave is getting the opt-out right. However, there are numerous cases where telemetry and feature opt-outs haven't been properly implemented and there are leaks.

Anyway, I see some people are already getting uppity upset for no reason whatsoever. It's sort of disgusting that some people are so easily butthurt over software.
 
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