Serious Discussion What in the world. I remember this from ages ago, and today it will work on SSD's ???

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As shown above, SpinRite measures any drive's read performance at the front, middle and end of the drive.

Here we see that Andy's SSD – even though it is “solid state” and we assume it would not be affected by things that might slow it down – was initially reading at 141.7, 149.3 and 272.8 megabytes per second before running SpinRite at level 3 over the drive. Afterward, as shown by Andy's “after” photo, its original performance has been restored and it's now reading at around 554 megabytes per second everywhere.

SpinRite should be run annually on all SSDs to keep them refreshed, performing at optimal speed, and for long-term reliability.

 

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Indeed, SpinRite's ability to restore and maintain the performance of SSDs is quite impressive. It's a good reminder that even solid-state drives can benefit from regular maintenance. Thanks for sharing this valuable information and the link!
 

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I had a version of this maybe 20 years ago??? Today its not needed.

You can run Gibsons 'Shields Up' too if you wish?

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Basically its useful only after enough degradation and by then you might even have a new device and anyway you would waste a lot of writes on an old SSD getting it closer to death in order to improve it's performance Wich may not be worth it to you
 

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Here is what O&O says about defrag w/ SSD (Newest info)...

Can I Defragment a Solid State Disk (SSD)?

Yes, it is appropriate to defragment an SSD. Recent research has shown that SSDs have a much longer lifespan than previously thought. Contrary to previous knowledge, it is almost impossible for home users to bring the SSD to its limits of writability. Than an SSD wears out through write accesses still applies, but long-term testing has shown that even data centers with an extremely high load have a lot more life of their SSDs than previously thought.

In addition, it has been found that due to the behavior of the operating system, data is often distributed to more memory cells than would be necessary. By defragmenting an SSD, it is possible to reduce 10 memory cells by up to 9 memory cells. This reduces future read and write access and thus spares the SSD.
In order to make the most of the resource-saving effect of defragmenting SSDs, we have developed SOLID. This method already protects the resources of the SSD during defragmentation and additionally reduces future write accesses. Incidentally, a similar effect can also be achieved when using SOLID on HDDs, where the mechanics of the read and write head are particularly spared.
 
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If your SSD is becoming slower and slower, that only means it's slowly dying. Defragging it will only make it die sooner because moving files will wear out remaining healthy memory cells.

You should really stop listening to random YouTubers, software developers and instead listen to technology experts. YouTubers often make partnerships with software companies who's only incentive is to make money and of course O&O and other companies will brag how their product is the best and won't do any damage.

Yes, SSDs have better lifespan, but they still work the way they worked forever. Writing data on them still affects their lifespan. Just because they last longer doesn't mean we should reduce their lifespan on purpose.
 
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Also if you go by bot's opinions, search for his big brothers:


Gemini:

No, you should not defrag an SSD. Defragmenting an SSD can actually shorten its lifespan. SSDs use a different technology than traditional hard drives (HDDs), and they don't benefit from defragmentation. In fact, defragmenting an SSD can cause unnecessary wear and tear on the drive's flash memory cells.

Here are some reasons why you should not defrag an SSD:

  • SSDs don't suffer from the same type of fragmentation as HDDs.HDDs have moving parts that can slow down access times as files become fragmented. SSDs, on the other hand, have no moving parts and can access data much faster, regardless of how fragmented it is.

  • Defragmenting an SSD can wear down the drive's flash memory cells.Every time you write data to an SSD, the flash memory cells wear out a little bit. Defragmenting an SSD involves a lot of writing, which can accelerate this wear and tear.

  • SSDs have built-in TRIM support, which automatically manages data placement.TRIM is a command that tells the SSD which blocks of data are no longer needed. This allows the SSD to efficiently manage its storage space and avoid unnecessary writes.
If you have an SSD, the best thing you can do is to leave it alone. Don't defragment it, and don't worry about its performance. It will perform just fine without any special maintenance.


Claude:

No, you should not defrag an SSD (Solid State Drive). In fact, defragmentation can be harmful to SSDs by causing unnecessary wear and tear. Here's why:

1. Traditional hard drives (HDDs) benefit from defragmentation because they have moving parts that need to physically seek out data stored in different locations on spinning platters. Fragmented files make this process slower.

2. SSDs work completely differently - they can access data anywhere on the drive with equal speed since there are no moving parts. File fragmentation doesn't impact their performance.

3. SSDs have a limited number of write cycles before their cells wear out. Defragmentation involves many unnecessary write operations that consume these cycles for no benefit.

Most modern operating systems (like Windows 10/11) automatically detect if you're using an SSD and disable defragmentation by default, replacing it with TRIM commands which help maintain SSD performance in a safe way.

If you're looking to maintain your SSD's performance, focus instead on:
- Ensuring TRIM is enabled
- Maintaining at least 10-20% free space
- Keeping your firmware up to date


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Defragmenting a Solid-State Drive (SSD) is generally not recommended. Unlike traditional Hard Disk Drives (HDDs), SSDs don't have moving parts and store data differently. Here’s why defragging an SSD isn't necessary:

1. **Wear and Tear**: SSDs have a limited number of write cycles. Defragmentation involves many write operations, which can reduce the lifespan of your SSD.
2. **Performance**: SSDs are designed to access data quickly regardless of its physical location on the drive. Defragmenting won't improve access times as it does with HDDs.
3. **Operating System Management**: Modern operating systems, like Windows, are optimized for SSDs and handle data management tasks efficiently without the need for defragmentation.

Instead of defragmenting, it's better to use tools provided by your operating system to maintain your SSD’s performance, such as the built-in SSD optimization tool in Windows, which performs TRIM operations.

If you have any other questions about maintaining your SSD, feel free to ask!



O&O has commercial reasons to say otherwise, of course.
 

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Bot isn't smart. It's dumb. And you'll see that as soon as you give him a riddle to solve.

Say to him that the moon is triangle shaped, add few made up "facts" and he'll agree with the statement.
But Bot is just agreeing you as in the way you would agree with a lunatic just to bide time to get well away.

Regards Eck :)
 

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Here is what O&O says about defrag w/ SSD (Newest info)...

Can I Defragment a Solid State Disk (SSD)?

Yes, it is appropriate to defragment an SSD. Recent research has shown that SSDs have a much longer lifespan than previously thought. Contrary to previous knowledge, it is almost impossible for home users to bring the SSD to its limits of writability. Than an SSD wears out through write accesses still applies, but long-term testing has shown that even data centers with an extremely high load have a lot more life of their SSDs than previously thought.

In addition, it has been found that due to the behavior of the operating system, data is often distributed to more memory cells than would be necessary. By defragmenting an SSD, it is possible to reduce 10 memory cells by up to 9 memory cells. This reduces future read and write access and thus spares the SSD.
In order to make the most of the resource-saving effect of defragmenting SSDs, we have developed SOLID. This method already protects the resources of the SSD during defragmentation and additionally reduces future write accesses. Incidentally, a similar effect can also be achieved when using SOLID on HDDs, where the mechanics of the read and write head are particularly spared.
Those two paragraphs doesn't make sense to me.
In first paragraph they describe how it's almost impossible for home users to bring SSDs to it's limits. I agree with that.
In second paragraph they describe defragging them to additionally reduce future write accesses. Why should I worry about it since I will never come close to my SSD's limits as described in first paragraph? So first paragraph describes why I should not care about the second.

IMO there is no need to defrag SSDs or tinker with them. I apply "Less is more" philosophy here.
 

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Basically its useful only after enough degradation and by then you might even have a new device and anyway you would waste a lot of writes on an old SSD getting it closer to death in order to improve it's performance Wich may not be worth it to you
If I should get to that position of any of my SSD's they will be replaced pronto - That is yet to happen however ;)
 

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The first SSD I ever bought is still alive and working well in one of my kid's notebooks...
Yes and maybe it could have better performance with the advice in the video

Btw if it's a Chromebook it probably didn't do to many IO operations but if it's a windows machine the advice above is useful to keep good performance longer
 
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Behold Eck

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ut-oh, bot is crazy, wait till he finds out this is what you think of him.
I think Bot is great but I don`t think it`s in it`s core nature to be irked by any opinion of mine...I hope.

I wouldn`t let any app do anything to my SSD`s except windows built in. All you have to do is backup what`s on them.

Regards Eck:)
 

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