Windows 7 Windows 7 better than Windows 10, really?

Discussion in 'Operating Systems' started by Umbra, Aug 13, 2016.

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which one you prefer?

  1. Win7

    31.3%
  2. Win10

    68.8%
  1. Umbra

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    #1 Umbra, Aug 13, 2016
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    OK , so i have installed Win7 on a low-end laptop (1ghz atom cpu, 2gb Ram) which is a similar specs available at Win7 release , and since many many people claimed that Win10 is crappy compared to Win7 ; let me compared Win7 to Win10 ... i will even use Win7 Ultimate vs Win10 Home

    this will be a real-time comparison made like Average Joe would.

    please don't mention about privacy , it is not the purpose here.

    Installation
    (Win10 win)

    both OS are in the latest ISO from USB using Rufus

    Win7 : the installation was properly made, nothing special there
    Win10: same as Win7, did customized setting , etc...

    Then there the first expected fail of Win7 ; it doesn't have the proper drivers for my machine; which was released for Win8. So basically i ended up with no network, so i can't have Windows Updates...
    I was expected it so i have them downloaded prior to the installation, but Average Joe won't think of it and if he doesn't have another PC under hands, he is done...

    Post Installation (no winner)

    Win7:
    user account creation is classic , nothing to complain here.
    Win10: MS push you to use a MS account for various purposes, but a local account is permitted ; so here nothing to complain too.

    Windows Updates (Win10 win)

    when i install an OS , the first thing i do is Windows Update to get latest compatible drivers and security fixes.

    Win7:
    Windows update hang and download nothing, if i didn't have a network traffic monitoring tool i could wait for hours. so i started wasting my time looking for fixes and finally find one here Windows 7 - Windows Updates hanging and not downloading?
    Win10: clicked "check updates, after less than a minute , all are displayed, downloaded , installed without issues. I heard that some users had problems with it and some updates smashed their system, but i did dozen of Win10 installs and never get one.
    If you worry, you can force Win10 to download only fixes and not drivers. ( PC > Hardware > Device Installation Settings)

    Installation of updates in Win10 is smoother and less subject to errors/crash , not saying than on Win7 the display of the updates is very bad , you don't know if it is installing or hanging...


    Post installation Cleaning/Tweaking/Backup (Not for Average Joe) (Win7 win)

    After updating the OS, i always clean it and do various tweaks and modifications to make it "faster" , safer, and easier to use. Among those tweaks are services customization, security tweaks via registry/group policies, etc...Then finish by a backup using Windows Backup.

    Win7: all options are in the same place (control panel ), they are easy to get.
    Win10: i dont know why they decided to split the settings in 2 places , it make it harder to do since you have to navigate in "Settings" which may redirect to Control Panel...

    In term of customization and control Win7 is better than Win10, (Win10 removing many of the control you had in Win7).
    It is the main reason why Geeks and other advanced users stick to Win7.
    For the backup no difference because Win10 uses Win7 system :D

    I will post my Customized Win7 theme, im sure you will love it ;)
    there the screenshot : Desktops Show Off!

    Built-in Security (Win10 win)

    when the OS is totally installed, cleaned, tweaked, it is time to check the security.

    Win7: unless you have a version of Win7 with Applocker, Win7 barely give you anything to protect yourself, you must look for a 3rd party application.
    Win10: MS did its best to give to the customers a secure OS , so many security implementations were made (kernel enhanced protection, secureboot, integrated AV, system wide reputation feature, new integrity level, etc...) , as a common user , you barely need anything else; security geeks however... ;)

    3rd Party security softs (Win7 Win)

    Now that we knows the security features of the OS, it is up to the user to add its favored security soft.

    Win7: All the actual security softs works on Win7 , so there is no problem.
    Win10: due to some restrictive adjustments made to the kernel, some softs can't run anymore on Win10 and some can't use or lost some of their features/protection (KIS, Webroot, Zemana, etc...).

    Performance (Win10 win)

    now all is set , we can start enjoy the OS...as i said earlier , both OS were tested on a machine with the technology available at their release. There is no point on comparing a new OS on a machine made to run on a older OS. the older OS will always perform better.

    Win7: Quite fast and if you disable Aero and sounds, Win7 is even faster.
    Win10: Win7 has a huge advantage on Win7 , it is the Hybrid Boot (aka Fast Boot) that really increase the boot time of the machine. However Win10 has many feature that eat resources and honesty not really needed and those can be disabled (as you can do for Win7)

    Usability (Win7 win)

    What is important is usability, you won't spend too much time looking for something.
    This comparison was made on laptops not a tablets , so i judged it accordingly.

    Win7: all is at the same place, easily accessible.
    Win10: Win8/10 were made for tablet first (and desktop after) , so the usability is quite different.

    Luckily MS improved the desktop experience of Win 10 with the lastest Anniversaty Update. but in a overall point of view ,Win7 is better on desktop/laptop machines.


    Conclusion:

    the Winner is Win10 because its security and core enhancements and optimization, however Win7 keep the leadership in term of customization/control and usability.


    Ok so it is finish now, so you are welcome to comment; i tried to do this comparison as fair as possible for both OS.
     
  2. frogboy

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    For sure from my experience Windows 10 runs so smooth here it is in front of Windows 7. :D
     
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  3. JakeXPMan

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    #3 JakeXPMan, Aug 13, 2016
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    My vote: Windows 7 light, fast, even on older hardware. Fast boot time, fast shutdown etc. Tweaks not needed.

    Windows 10 bloated and slower, eats RAM and CPU on lower end specs. Games play noticeably slower. Slower boot... downgraded happily. Did not respond well to tweaks. Used 250ks more RAM (on average)
     
  4. FrankS

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    I voted for Windows 10. It's much lighter and faster than Windows 7. Especially when downloading/installing Windows Updates.
    From Windows XP to Windows 7 I always took a cup of coffee after starting the Windows Update manually. Because I knew it takes a lot of time :D
     
  5. Tani

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    Windows 10 of course, no matter how much I dislike microsoft or windows 10 specially but still in comparison to windows 7, windows 10 wins...!
     
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  6. FrankS

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    #6 FrankS, Aug 13, 2016
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    In Germany we don't call it "Windows". Our favorite nickname for Windows is "Windoof" (doof = stupid) :D
    Ahh and not to forget "Microschrott" schrott means scrap in german
    I think that came from the Linux-Users in Germany :D
     
  7. Umbra

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    wow 3 hours later, Win7 is installing the 226 updates , will clean the OS and set it with the basic tweaks then continue the comparison :D
     
  8. FrankS

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    Three hours? What the hell...these were many cups of coffee :D
     
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  9. Umbra

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    And since i have posted the previous message , im on 36/226 updates installed...
     
  10. juhful

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    Windows 10 is the obvious choice, I know MS is spying on you, but who isn't?
     
  11. viktik

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    windows 7 is a relic.

    Windows 10 will perform much better and has more & better features. Supports new hardware features.
     
  12. RmG152

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    imo Windows 10 it's better, it's faster in all things, it's more ssd friendly, it's lighter (with task manager you can think "w10 use more ram" but its for caching things to speed up system), you only need to install 1 o 2 updates in a clean installation, etc.


    w7, Have better start menu.
    Windows 10 uses ram as pagefile, for me, this is positive, not negative
     
  13. NekoHr

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    Actually if you don't use fix for slow update 3 hours is really fast. I installed a lot of Win7 in last few months and would leave some alone over night to update.
     
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  14. Aura

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    Are we talking about the same low-spec'd laptop of your last thread here?
     
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  15. Umbra

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    yep , started the installation at 5hours ago and still not yet completed (179/226...)
     
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  16. ElectricSheep

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    Did that once. Had to reinstall windows 8 from scratch, then re-upgrade it to 8.1 - had TONS of updates! Took a lifetime literally!!:eek::p
     
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    #17 Umbra, Aug 13, 2016
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    installing the Win7 took 30mn, updating it take more than 8 hours ! :eek::mad:
     
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  18. DJ Panda

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    Windows 10 for sure. The "spying" isn't there. It has better built in security, update handling, and more. :)
     
  19. Aura

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    If it have driver support for Windows 10, I would go for Windows 10. Starting in Windows 8, Microsoft adapted Windows so it can run smoother on older hardware, and also implemented various compression algorithm to lower the size of the installation and updates install. Windows 7 is already a huge drag on low-end hardware because of Aero.
     
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  20. hjlbx

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    W7, W8.1 hampered by number of updates required = hundreds. This is the downside to W7\8.1 - not to mention need for properly setup recovery media to clean install W7. W8.1 you can use WindowsMediaCreationTool to clean install which is convenient - but for W7 you need that USB or CD ISO. For W7 there are utilities to clean install W7 on MyDigitalLife - with all updates. Like all things W7 it is work.

    W7 and W8.1 only way to handle it is to image it immediately after downloading all the Windows Updates and cleaning up system - lest every time you want to revert to clean baseline W7 you have to wait many hours.

    Can't really use Rollback Rx for that clean baseline - because at some point you will have to uninstall it if Microsoft pushes a MBR modifying W7 or W8.1 update; so you have to image your clean baseline. Then you use snapshot soft to configure your desired system.

    Combo Rollback Rx Professional\Home or Drive Vaccine Rx\Reboot Restore Rx with Macrium Reflect or equivalent. Saves much time for reverting to earlier or clean baseline.

    This is not difficult... read @Umbra's guides. It works...

    The only real advantage to W7 is AppLocker and Group Policy Editor - which if you don't need - it is pointless to use W7.

    I only have W7 Ultimate for testing AppGuard products to make sure they function correctly on it and some W7 capable malware testing.

    Really, W7 is a pain for novice\typical user. For geek, well, obviously you are a geek and that's why you use it - you have some reason(s) - and can find solutions to W7 problems when required.
     
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