- May 11, 2015
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I'll try to respond to each thing here separately because you seem to be making this more complicated of an argument/issue than it really is. Okay, here goes:
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"Well you keep saying about AV brands and other companies not using shady tactic's and that you are free to choose if you can use them or not.
That's just not the case. If you need software, programs, utilities, services or anything provided by a third party then you are bound to whatever the developer or brand offers you. And the fact is that while free software is great you do pay with ur data and other stuff they might pull from you.
Granted one does it less forceful then others, yet as the video shows and the blog shows but also as its common knowledge on the net you as the end user have NO say. In regards to choosing to join Facebook and other online services some nations including my own by law force you to for example join linkin for job hunting purposes."
Well, no, I did not say they all don't use shady tactics. Hell, Qihoo got nailed for it just recently by cheating on the AV-C test. What I said was that AV companies saying you're missing out on possibly more protection and features is not shady, it's good business. Please, tell me who is forcing you to use a free or even a paid offering from any company (I'll get to Facebook in just a second). Did I ever once argue that there wasn't a price to pay for free software? No, I explicitly said the cost was your data and personal information. Look at my earlier posts. You're absolutely right that you have no say in the agreement you make with a company. That's why it's called a EULA. It's a "contract" you sign to use a service/product. Your choice is whether to use said service or product. Avast can't come to your house and say "Use us or we'll make your life miserable." Do you understand my point now?
Facebook, now Facebook is an entirely different matter and it's a sad state of affairs really. Indeed a lot of employers do force you onto it, and then make you give them their password. One could say you have a choice in being employed by that company, but let's face it, if you need a job you need a job. You'll get no argument from me about the insidious social media situation. I'm on your side there.
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Also if you want to register on some sites and some online services you have to login with a openID or google authentication or some other third party services. In regards to Av programs claiming 99% detection which is also a marketing trick yet if they passed the VB100 test and the in the wild test then saying that they have 99% detection is actually accurate. Otherwise they would not have that certificate would they?
Its about "known" malware in the wild and NOT sample packs or MT tests with all respect.
You seem to forget that advertising and bundle software is a multi billion industry and its growing. It does not matter which AV brand you take they all specially if they are free the point is they make money of your ass using these tactic's as described above.
And if they not add stuff they certainly browse your online profile and use that for marketing reasons. Another thing is about programs putting a gun on your head use this or die.
There are thousands of programs that require you to have some sort of Av running or maintain some standard, not to mention can do it all packages that are packed with by a vendor chosen product list.
Sure you might be able to choose if you where to download it but in most cases if you do not download package A then in the end you will downloading package B.
Also if you want to register on some sites and some online services you have to login with a openID or google authentication or some other third party services. In regards to Av programs claiming 99% detection which is also a marketing trick yet if they passed the VB100 test and the in the wild test then saying that they have 99% detection is actually accurate. Otherwise they would not have that certificate would they?
Its about "known" malware in the wild and NOT sample packs or MT tests with all respect.
You seem to forget that advertising and bundle software is a multi billion industry and its growing. It does not matter which AV brand you take they all specially if they are free the point is they make money of your ass using these tactic's as described above.
And if they not add stuff they certainly browse your online profile and use that for marketing reasons. Another thing is about programs putting a gun on your head use this or die.
There are thousands of programs that require you to have some sort of Av running or maintain some standard, not to mention can do it all packages that are packed with by a vendor chosen product list.
Sure you might be able to choose if you where to download it but in most cases if you do not download package A then in the end you will downloading package B."
There are some services that need Facebook (A lot of game sites for some reason), but the majority of them can still be signed up for via email address. So there you aren't wrong, but it's not as bad as you might think (don't forget this also depends on what services you use vs what services I use). The 99% thing, I'm aware it's all about known malware. But you have to understand that for every known piece out there, there are several thousand unknown pieces, so that test really means very little. AV-C and others are general guidelines and, yes, marketing tools. Not useless, but not "the Bible" either. That part of course is my opinion. No, I haven't forgotten that bundling and adware is a multi-billion dollar affair. I keep trying with varying levels of success to avoid all that crap. That part is shady as hell, but I don't see what can be done about it at this point. I've never come across a program that "required" me to have an AV running, unless you count Windows spamming you with notices when you don't have one installed. But that's not requiring, that's just annoying. There's not much point in arguing about the location of the download. They all have mirrors/servers they use and, well, yes, sometimes you have to choose one bad wrapper over another. Sucks, but that's internet life now. It still doesn't mean you are required to use said vendor.
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Everywhere you go even if you run a bare windows without any third party program Windows itself will harvest your details and make money besides the fact you bought a key to make your windows legit.
So again i understand what you are saying but you are wrong on every account, and the many posts, blogs and news outlets proof that.
My question to you is why do you hold on to something that is just not true? Is this a personal opinion (Fine i respect that) but do not hold it for a fact here on a platform that is intended to teach and learn people as many people will get the wrong idea."
I don't recall saying anything about Windows, but both Windows and Linux and OS X etc will collect your data and store it. It's how an OS works. Now yes, Windows may send back data to Microsoft, and it increasingly is getting more pervasive about it. But, at least at home, you can use a different OS (and actually at this point I would. Saves you the security and privacy hassles. Finally, I never said or even tried to imply that everything out of my mouth was Ten Commandments-worthy. But the state of the internet, coupled with paranoia and the opinions of every tech journalist/security enthusiast and whomever else people will blindingly listen to, is causing people to think they are shackled against a wall in an online dungeon. It just isn't that way..yet.
