thecombo101 said:Great, now I don't know whether to join the No AV Club or the Umbra Corp.
The answer is easy.
If you don't know, it means you are not ready to join the No Av club.
Bo
Why I don't feel the need to use realtime AV
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The answer is easy.
If you don't know, it means you are not ready to join the No Av club.
Bo
@jack, you mention family, in my opinion, that make an antivirus necessary. I mean, if a computer is shared, an AV on board is certainly a must.
Also, people that installs lots of new software should use one too.
In my case, those conditions don't apply. My kids are all grown up and live with their families in the States, my wife has her own computer and don't use mine. For us, computers are like toothbrushes. The maids are good girls and dont mess with my rules. When my mom comes to visit, I create a separate sandbox for her, put her name in a shortcut and place it in the desktop. I set up her sandbox in a way that is easy for her to do what she normally does but strong enough to keep anything contained.
About being a software tester junky, I am disciplined, avoiding trying programs just for trying is not very hard. If I really want to play with something, I use Shadow Defender.
@Illumination, for you to understand the difference in response, you need to have something to compare with. I mean, if you have never being without an antivirus, you got nothing to compare with. But I ll give you an example were having or not having a real time AV makes such a huge difference that it will be easy for you to understand what I mean even though you have never being without an AV. If you have a folder with, lets say, 50 or 100 installers, when I click on that folder, the icons in that folder ALL show up immediately in my computers. There is no delay. But if you are using a real time antivirus, BB or a HIPS, for all the icons to show up/open up, it might take a minute or more.
In my personal case, the main reason why I don't use an antivirus is not because the computer is a little faster but because I am safer. We talk about that the other day so I wont talk about it again unless you or someone else would like to.
Regards
Bo
Also, people that installs lots of new software should use one too.
In my case, those conditions don't apply. My kids are all grown up and live with their families in the States, my wife has her own computer and don't use mine. For us, computers are like toothbrushes. The maids are good girls and dont mess with my rules. When my mom comes to visit, I create a separate sandbox for her, put her name in a shortcut and place it in the desktop. I set up her sandbox in a way that is easy for her to do what she normally does but strong enough to keep anything contained.
About being a software tester junky, I am disciplined, avoiding trying programs just for trying is not very hard. If I really want to play with something, I use Shadow Defender.
@Illumination, for you to understand the difference in response, you need to have something to compare with. I mean, if you have never being without an antivirus, you got nothing to compare with. But I ll give you an example were having or not having a real time AV makes such a huge difference that it will be easy for you to understand what I mean even though you have never being without an AV. If you have a folder with, lets say, 50 or 100 installers, when I click on that folder, the icons in that folder ALL show up immediately in my computers. There is no delay. But if you are using a real time antivirus, BB or a HIPS, for all the icons to show up/open up, it might take a minute or more.
In my personal case, the main reason why I don't use an antivirus is not because the computer is a little faster but because I am safer. We talk about that the other day so I wont talk about it again unless you or someone else would like to.
Regards
Bo
Littlebits
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- May 3, 2011
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Under no circumstance would I recommend to a user to go without real-time AV protection.
There are so many other options to consider:
1. Pick an AV that is light on resources like Avast, Avira or Eset.
2. If you have folders with a lot of files that you know are safe, exclude them from your AV real-time protection. So when you open these folders you will not experience any slow downs in response time.
3. Never download files or move files to the excluded folder before checking them for malware. Recommend to use VirusTotal right click scanners.
4. Limit your system startup processes to only necessary items because they will be less to scan at system startup. There are many free tools that can do this like WinPatrol.
5. Add all safe system startup processes to your real-time AV's exclusion list. That way it will not have to scan these safe processes with every boot.
6. Manually add all of your most used safe programs to your AV's exclusion list.
Note: before adding any folders or files to your AV's real-time exclusion list you need to make sure that they are safe.
After doing these actions your real-time AV will be a lot more lighter.
Enjoy!!
There are so many other options to consider:
1. Pick an AV that is light on resources like Avast, Avira or Eset.
2. If you have folders with a lot of files that you know are safe, exclude them from your AV real-time protection. So when you open these folders you will not experience any slow downs in response time.
3. Never download files or move files to the excluded folder before checking them for malware. Recommend to use VirusTotal right click scanners.
4. Limit your system startup processes to only necessary items because they will be less to scan at system startup. There are many free tools that can do this like WinPatrol.
5. Add all safe system startup processes to your real-time AV's exclusion list. That way it will not have to scan these safe processes with every boot.
6. Manually add all of your most used safe programs to your AV's exclusion list.
Note: before adding any folders or files to your AV's real-time exclusion list you need to make sure that they are safe.
After doing these actions your real-time AV will be a lot more lighter.
Enjoy!!
bo.elam said:@Illumination, for you to understand the difference in response, you need to have something to compare with. I mean, if you have never being without an antivirus, you got nothing to compare with. But I ll give you an example were having or not having a real time AV makes such a huge difference that it will be easy for you to understand what I mean even though you have never being without an AV. If you have a folder with, lets say, 50 or 100 installers, when I click on that folder, the icons in that folder ALL show up immediately in my computers. There is no delay. But if you are using a real time antivirus, BB or a HIPS, for all the icons to show up/open up, it might take a minute or more.
In my personal case, the main reason why I don't use an antivirus is not because the computer is a little faster but because I am safer. We talk about that the other day so I wont talk about it again unless you or someone else would like to.
Regards
Bo
See Bo, this is where you are assuming i have never felt a system without an AV/IS suite on it.. I have, I know how light they feel with no security.. I also know suites like CIS, if you give them a couple days to learn your system, can open applications just as fast.. With a few security programs once files are scanned, they are not done so again unless changed.. Even with the BB and HIPS, after a couple days, i see no difference in programs opening.. I do extensive photo editing on the side, and even doing this, it is responsive like one would not believe unless trying.. Im now on windows 8 with boot time protection, and CIS v6 with HIPS/BB/AV/FW and Shadow Defender for those "want to make sure moments".. This combined with the couple browser plugins i use, do not slow me down one bit, and afford almost every angle i can think of i want to protect.
I want to bring up a story, already told on here once, but not in great detail of my brother in law, that wanted me to help him pick out a new laptop, he is a truck driver and wanted it to maintain logs.. He asked me to set it up for him, so i did, when i asked about what he wanted for security, he said he did not need any... He read online he was actually safer with out an AV, i disagreed, but it was his system, so i respected his wishes.. One month later he comes to me, he say's, something is wrong with my laptop, it will not connect to any hotspots.. Well, he was right, something was indeed wrong with it, it would not connect period, it was full of malware.. I told him this, and he asked me how it happened, and told me he never downloads anything, and only goes to a few trusted sites.. "sound familiar".. I cleaned it up for him, and again asked, would you like me to hook you up with some security, again, he said no, he has safe habits, does not download anything, and only goes to trusted sites... Two weeks later he was back at my door again, want to guess why? I think this should conclude why i believe what i do..
I love reading real peoples stories, thanks for sharing. There is nothing better than that. Tell your brother in law not to trust any site or program, that should be rule number one for everybody.
Something different, something that has not been mentioned. Illumination, give me your thoughts about the following, Does a machine with a real time antivirus, two on demand scanners, a HIPS and a firewall running around everyday, with 7 scans a week and 30 updates every week, wear and tear the same as a machine that doesn't do any of that?
Cheers
Bo
Something different, something that has not been mentioned. Illumination, give me your thoughts about the following, Does a machine with a real time antivirus, two on demand scanners, a HIPS and a firewall running around everyday, with 7 scans a week and 30 updates every week, wear and tear the same as a machine that doesn't do any of that?
Cheers
Bo
bo.elam said:
I love real stories as well, as that is where it all lies, in real time/real world test's.. To answer your question, im sure it would be no worse wear and tear as having no security and getting infected, and having to clean/maybe reformat..
As far as that goes, turning on the machine in itself will eventually wear it down
Whatever, I ll give you another one. Let me talk about Stress and antiviruses. I mean, I use to get stress out every time that I upgraded an antivirus. At least twice, when Avira9 went to 10 and MSE from 1 to version 2, those upgrades stressed me out so much that I ended switching from Avira to Avast and in the case of MSE, I just called it quits on antiviruses.
The stress that I got in those occasions is nothing compared to the stress that people get when their AV goes crazy after an upgrade that goes bad. I mean, we see it all the time, people getting a BSOD after an upgrade and in many cases, people have to reformat their machine because the antivirus deleted system files not allowing the user to stop it. This is serious, it bothers me and anybody that uses an AV is exposed to it.
This updates/upgrades are worst than viruses sometimes, you know. This are just a couple of examples why my stress level is about 1, if I was using a bunch of stuff a la Umbra, my stress level would be about eight or nine right now.
Bo
The stress that I got in those occasions is nothing compared to the stress that people get when their AV goes crazy after an upgrade that goes bad. I mean, we see it all the time, people getting a BSOD after an upgrade and in many cases, people have to reformat their machine because the antivirus deleted system files not allowing the user to stop it. This is serious, it bothers me and anybody that uses an AV is exposed to it.
This updates/upgrades are worst than viruses sometimes, you know. This are just a couple of examples why my stress level is about 1, if I was using a bunch of stuff a la
Umbra, my stress level would be about eight or nine right now.Bo
bo.elam said:Whatever, I ll give you another one. Let me talk about Stress and antiviruses. I mean, I use to get stress out every time that I upgraded an antivirus. At least twice, when Avira9 went to 10 and MSE from 1 to version 2, those upgrades stressed me out so much that I ended switching from Avira to Avast and in the case of MSE, I just called it quits on antiviruses.
The stress that I got in those occasions is nothing compared to the stress that people get when their AV goes crazy after an upgrade that goes bad. I mean, we see it all the time, people getting a BSOD after an upgrade and in many cases, people have to reformat their machine because the antivirus deleted system files not allowing the user to stop it. This is serious, it bothers me and anybody that uses an AV is exposed to it.
This updates/upgrades are worst than viruses sometimes, you know. This are just a couple of examples why my stress level is about 1, if I was using a bunch of stuff a la
Bo
I have heard of an AV update causing issues, from a couple companies, this is true, but it is not an every day occurrence and as far as that goes, it could happen with any software, even your operating system, and the stress levels, i guess i do not understand, as i find nothing stressful about letting my internet security update itself, even if it is a major update, and i have to uninstall/install the newer version because of major changes that could cause conflict, i do not sweat, it is nothing but a little bit of time, and back down the road i go. Most security once on the system, and has learned the system/ created the rules ect, will sit silently in the background while you do your thing unless something happens, which of course i welcome its interruption at that point, to tell me something is not right on my system..
Gnosis
Level 5
- Apr 26, 2011
- 2,779
For some of the reasons stated above, I use SB and TF. That is about as light as I can get without being reckless. Those two are AV-like enough for me, but other types of users are plentiful, and those other types require many different combos that, as Littlebits stated, should at least have some form of a traditional realtime AV. I know I am in the minority in my methods, and most of what I do will not be wise for most users, or at least most novices. I always have to keep that in mind for the sake of our purpose.
mercurial
Level 6
- Oct 3, 2012
- 472
Good thread, though it's better if you do keep 1 just in-case, a light one for instance to keep things light. I have a habit of trading my external drives with friends, to exchange work, movies, pics and some open software's / OS .iso (mostly linux distro's) and though i might keep all the good habit, some one else might not do the same. So whenever i do get my drive back i put the entire internal drive on "Shadow Mode", and do scan's on my external drive ( AV + Hitman/ MB) "just incase" cuz you never know . Though my desktop ain't that great a Core 2 Duo with 2 gigs of ram i did not really have an issue playing / watching movies / listening to songs while doing a real time scan, though it would be laggy big time gaming if i used KAV or BIS or all those heavy suites. Anyways that's my own 2 cent's nonetheless .
Oh and you can just use puppy linux on a Flash drive or a live CD, which is also a good way to clean a infected PC.
. Though my desktop ain't that great a Core 2 Duo with 2 gigs of ram i did not really have an issue playing / watching movies / listening to songs while doing a real time scan, though it would be laggy big time gaming if i used KAV or BIS or all those heavy suites. Anyways that's my own 2 cent's nonetheless .Oh and you can just use puppy linux on a Flash drive or a live CD, which is also a good way to clean a infected PC
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I also don't use any real time anti virus. All i need is Sandboxie and windows firewall and a bunch of on demand scanners like Emisoft, HitmanPro, Malwarebytes etc. I only download torrents from a private tracker and i don't browse random dodgy websites like warez, porn etc i stick to sites i know and trust. I set my own rules in windows firewall block in/outbound. I ain't been infected for over 2 years. Main reason i don't use any real time anti virus is because i have used them all and never once got infected so i got rid to save memory usage. All i need is common sense and a few on demand scanners just in case.
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