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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 58943" data-source="post: 830588"><p>Interesting product. It's basically a less mature Gryphon without the deep parental controls, flexibility and privacy involved with Gryphon but it looks like it could be a contender at some point. Their site comparison has Cujo on it, which is invalid, Cujo is out of business. F-Secure Sense is on there, but that is pretty well known to be an anemic device. Better to compare Avira with Bit Defender Box, Bullguard Dojo, Norton Sphere and Gryphon.</p><p></p><p>Also I agree in that the endpoint offering with some of them is irrelevant. I like Eset on Gryphon, but have no desire to have Eset on my endpoints at this time so there would be no added value with that.</p><p></p><p>As for packet inspection, all of these would use TLD and SNI identification of traffic, not actual MiTM. Gryphon does L7 application layer inspection but doesn't utilize MiTM, it uses application identification via header indicators, SNI, TLD. For IPS/AI/ML, it generally works off port anomaly detection, and wouldn't be inspecting actual traffic.</p><p></p><p>Also critical is privacy. All of these devices should download filtration lists rather than send TLD/SNI data to a remote server for ack. I wouldn't use a Gryphon if it didn't do this because it's too great of a privacy risk. So as notabot pointed out, we all sort of feel this is critical. Also logging should be MINIMAL and not ex-filtrated from the router unless triggered by the router owner themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 58943, post: 830588"] Interesting product. It's basically a less mature Gryphon without the deep parental controls, flexibility and privacy involved with Gryphon but it looks like it could be a contender at some point. Their site comparison has Cujo on it, which is invalid, Cujo is out of business. F-Secure Sense is on there, but that is pretty well known to be an anemic device. Better to compare Avira with Bit Defender Box, Bullguard Dojo, Norton Sphere and Gryphon. Also I agree in that the endpoint offering with some of them is irrelevant. I like Eset on Gryphon, but have no desire to have Eset on my endpoints at this time so there would be no added value with that. As for packet inspection, all of these would use TLD and SNI identification of traffic, not actual MiTM. Gryphon does L7 application layer inspection but doesn't utilize MiTM, it uses application identification via header indicators, SNI, TLD. For IPS/AI/ML, it generally works off port anomaly detection, and wouldn't be inspecting actual traffic. Also critical is privacy. All of these devices should download filtration lists rather than send TLD/SNI data to a remote server for ack. I wouldn't use a Gryphon if it didn't do this because it's too great of a privacy risk. So as notabot pointed out, we all sort of feel this is critical. Also logging should be MINIMAL and not ex-filtrated from the router unless triggered by the router owner themselves. [/QUOTE]
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