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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 72227" data-source="post: 838679">Thats totally fair and I respect your stance. MS is by no means innocent in any of this. As I&#039;ve said, they have created a lot of problems of their own, but I just don&#039;t agree with the &quot;MS is the cause of all problems and 3rd parties are 100%&nbsp; innocent and have never created problems themselves (paraphrasing here).&quot; That really isn&#039;t accurate and as much as some like to play the blame MS game, fact is 3rd parties do infact cause issues. I do apologize in advance if this wasn&#039;t what you meant, its just how I read it.I get what you saying about users want to use stuff, but security is all about balance. I can have excellent security,&nbsp; but if I can&#039;t use my computer, what&#039;s the point? A lot of problems IMO really has to do with education and practicing safe habits. Too many people IMHO put way too much faith in security programs as a whole, with the assumption its going to solve all of their problems. Fact is someone can put a top notch 3rd party program on someone&#039;s system, but if they disable the real -time protection to run something, or don&#039;t renew their product, might as well have nothing at all.Agreed.Windows itself will always remain in such a state, some of it being due to MS, but a lot of of it just simply being that Windows still runs the OS show. Linux and Mac OS have done somethings better than Windows when it comes to security, but they also enjoy a much smaller market share. This by itself is keeping hackers away, as they don&#039;t want to waste time with them, as it&#039;s more profitable to attack Windows. I am 100% confident that if Linux, or Mac OS had the market share that Windows does, they would be ripped a part. OSes as a whole have gotten way bigger and more complex. The more features they add, the more doors open for attacks.Like you said, practice safe computing habits and run an AV and your chances of getting infected will be significantly reduced.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 72227, post: 838679"] Thats totally fair and I respect your stance. MS is by no means innocent in any of this. As I've said, they have created a lot of problems of their own, but I just don't agree with the "MS is the cause of all problems and 3rd parties are 100% innocent and have never created problems themselves (paraphrasing here)." That really isn't accurate and as much as some like to play the blame MS game, fact is 3rd parties do infact cause issues. I do apologize in advance if this wasn't what you meant, its just how I read it. I get what you saying about users want to use stuff, but security is all about balance. I can have excellent security, but if I can't use my computer, what's the point? A lot of problems IMO really has to do with education and practicing safe habits. Too many people IMHO put way too much faith in security programs as a whole, with the assumption its going to solve all of their problems. Fact is someone can put a top notch 3rd party program on someone's system, but if they disable the real -time protection to run something, or don't renew their product, might as well have nothing at all. Agreed. Windows itself will always remain in such a state, some of it being due to MS, but a lot of of it just simply being that Windows still runs the OS show. Linux and Mac OS have done somethings better than Windows when it comes to security, but they also enjoy a much smaller market share. This by itself is keeping hackers away, as they don't want to waste time with them, as it's more profitable to attack Windows. I am 100% confident that if Linux, or Mac OS had the market share that Windows does, they would be ripped a part. OSes as a whole have gotten way bigger and more complex. The more features they add, the more doors open for attacks. Like you said, practice safe computing habits and run an AV and your chances of getting infected will be significantly reduced. [/QUOTE]

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