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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 58943" data-source="post: 700005">So a &#039;couple boxes&#039; you look at tell you it&#039;s all rainbows and unicorns with Windows?The MSP I work for manages 33K endpoints. Even using industry best practices for Windows Infrastructure none of us feel Windows is, or even can be made into a secure OS without effectively breaking it.&nbsp; When you deal with windows security most of what you are doing amounts to security theater. But the alternatives are few and far between in terms of businesses.. Consumers? You&#039;d be silly to run Windows unless you have to - for gamers, or specifically programs I get it, anything else you&#039;d be silly to do it and it won&#039;t end well. Here&#039;s an anecdotal statement based on my own observations - in the last 12 months I have never seen/touched an average-joe consumer desktop/laptop running Windows that wasn&#039;t already infected/compromised/backdoored or being used to mine coins. Not a single one. Sure, I sometimes have to use forensic tools to find the compromise, but it&#039;s always there. In some cases, it was pre-installed from the factory!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 58943, post: 700005"] So a 'couple boxes' you look at tell you it's all rainbows and unicorns with Windows? The MSP I work for manages 33K endpoints. Even using industry best practices for Windows Infrastructure none of us feel Windows is, or even can be made into a secure OS without effectively breaking it. When you deal with windows security most of what you are doing amounts to security theater. But the alternatives are few and far between in terms of businesses.. Consumers? You'd be silly to run Windows unless you have to - for gamers, or specifically programs I get it, anything else you'd be silly to do it and it won't end well. Here's an anecdotal statement based on my own observations - in the last 12 months I have never seen/touched an average-joe consumer desktop/laptop running Windows that wasn't already infected/compromised/backdoored or being used to mine coins. Not a single one. Sure, I sometimes have to use forensic tools to find the compromise, but it's always there. In some cases, it was pre-installed from the factory! [/QUOTE]

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