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"Overkill": excessive protection and the false sense of security
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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 72227" data-source="post: 789284"><p>Agreed!<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite130" alt="(y)" title="Thumbs up (y)" loading="lazy" data-shortname="(y)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a very big part of it. Alot of the overkill is derived from people "not feeling safe enough". Why else do you have setups with various overlapping protections? I could be wrong, but I think there's a few things a play here:</p><p></p><p>1. Tests:</p><p>I think a large part of these overkill setups has to do with the various tests out there to "rank" the overall protection of the various security programs. The problem with tests in general, whether it's from the likes of AV-Comparatives, YouTube, or even here in the HUB, is that people are looking for a product that will protect them 100% of the time, or very close to it. Fact is, there's no such product. I get it, people want to be able to do anything and everything they want, without any regard for what might happen, so they put their faith into a product that "ranks" as 100%, assuming that they will "always be protected, which is not true.</p><p></p><p>Furthermore, people don't understand how to interpret tests, so they see things like AV-Comparatives results and all they look at is the green bar to see which ones got 100%. They buy a program that got that 100%, don't change any of their computing habits and act surprised when all of a sudden they've been infected.</p><p></p><p>Just to be clear, I am in no way against tests, or people wanting to test products, but at the end of the day the vast majority of products out there do a very good job as it is. If a product fails a test, or misses samples, it just reinforces the point that no product is perfect. A serious question I have for people who see products that don't get "100%" on tests or miss samples here on the HUB, has anyone actually been impacted in anyway by those missed samples? I mean in all honesty, has anyone actually been infected by those missed samples? I would hazard to guess that it's going to be a no. Which again, the chances of people really running into malware these days is pretty small, unless you practice unsafe habits and go looking for it.</p><p></p><p>2. Marketing:</p><p>Let's be honest here, these companies make money of "protecting" people. I am by no means saying they don't do a good job, but to be fair their marketing doesn't help either. Many of these companies make things sound like everything is all doom and gloom and that if you don't use their product your life will be ruined somehow, which is far from the truth.</p><p></p><p>3:Education/experience level:</p><p>I say this because there are so many security programs out there, as well as various ways to harden Windows that it can be overwhelming for people. Sometimes I get the feeling that because they see other people use/recommend a product that they automatically go out and get it, not realizing what it does and or how it can impact their system. Furthermore, people see things like SRP, they go ahead and start making changes without any regard to what those changes do and how it can impact their system.</p><p></p><p>There's ton's of great security programs out there, pick the one that meets your needs. Always remember, there are many other reasons to pick a product (system performance, privacy, customer support, etc...), it's not always about the detection rate of a test that doesn't represent the real world.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite110" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>It's not all doom and gloom as it's made out to be, pick a program or 2, practice safe habits and remember enjoy your computer/technology, afterall that's why many of us are here, our love for technology.<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite109" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 72227, post: 789284"] Agreed!(y) This is a very big part of it. Alot of the overkill is derived from people "not feeling safe enough". Why else do you have setups with various overlapping protections? I could be wrong, but I think there's a few things a play here: 1. Tests: I think a large part of these overkill setups has to do with the various tests out there to "rank" the overall protection of the various security programs. The problem with tests in general, whether it's from the likes of AV-Comparatives, YouTube, or even here in the HUB, is that people are looking for a product that will protect them 100% of the time, or very close to it. Fact is, there's no such product. I get it, people want to be able to do anything and everything they want, without any regard for what might happen, so they put their faith into a product that "ranks" as 100%, assuming that they will "always be protected, which is not true. Furthermore, people don't understand how to interpret tests, so they see things like AV-Comparatives results and all they look at is the green bar to see which ones got 100%. They buy a program that got that 100%, don't change any of their computing habits and act surprised when all of a sudden they've been infected. Just to be clear, I am in no way against tests, or people wanting to test products, but at the end of the day the vast majority of products out there do a very good job as it is. If a product fails a test, or misses samples, it just reinforces the point that no product is perfect. A serious question I have for people who see products that don't get "100%" on tests or miss samples here on the HUB, has anyone actually been impacted in anyway by those missed samples? I mean in all honesty, has anyone actually been infected by those missed samples? I would hazard to guess that it's going to be a no. Which again, the chances of people really running into malware these days is pretty small, unless you practice unsafe habits and go looking for it. 2. Marketing: Let's be honest here, these companies make money of "protecting" people. I am by no means saying they don't do a good job, but to be fair their marketing doesn't help either. Many of these companies make things sound like everything is all doom and gloom and that if you don't use their product your life will be ruined somehow, which is far from the truth. 3:Education/experience level: I say this because there are so many security programs out there, as well as various ways to harden Windows that it can be overwhelming for people. Sometimes I get the feeling that because they see other people use/recommend a product that they automatically go out and get it, not realizing what it does and or how it can impact their system. Furthermore, people see things like SRP, they go ahead and start making changes without any regard to what those changes do and how it can impact their system. There's ton's of great security programs out there, pick the one that meets your needs. Always remember, there are many other reasons to pick a product (system performance, privacy, customer support, etc...), it's not always about the detection rate of a test that doesn't represent the real world.;) It's not all doom and gloom as it's made out to be, pick a program or 2, practice safe habits and remember enjoy your computer/technology, afterall that's why many of us are here, our love for technology.:) [/QUOTE]
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