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<blockquote data-quote="Digerati" data-source="post: 769309" data-attributes="member: 59833"><p>No. But if reliability is poor, it is not likely to have a long life span.</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite111" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> Bullfeathers! Where's your supporting documentation?</p><p></p><p>Sorry, but that comment about HDs vs SSD in cold environments is total nonsense! Automobile manufacturers have been using flash memory in cars for decades - cars that sit overnight in sub-zero temps (or all day long in the hot Phoenix sun). How do you suppose computer systems boot in cars in Alaska, Canada, Sweeden and other places up north when you turn the key in the morning?</p><p></p><p>Why don't car makers use hard drives instead of flash memory if hard drives are so much more "reliable" in those harsh environments? Car makers are always looking for ways to cut costs. Don't say it is because cars are mobile - they can "ruggedize" hard drives pretty easily. Besides, cars typically are sitting motionless when starting.</p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite111" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> Come on! Let's be a little realistic here. 17°C = 62.6°F. Are you really going to claim your SSD failed because it was too cold in your 62.6°F room? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite119" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> I've worked in environmentally controlled, mission critical computer rooms that are maintained at a constant 60°F and 50% humidity.</p><p></p><p>And gee whiz! One "occurrence" with one SSD failure does not set the rule for all SSDs either! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite111" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":(" /> This is especially true when there is absolutely no evidence failure to boot was even caused by the drive. It could have easily been the motherboard's drive interface, or any other number of things.</p><p></p><p>If one does their homework and researches the facts, operating environment specifications for both hard drives and SSDs can easily be found.</p><p></p><p>Note WDC "enterprise-class" <a href="https://www.wdc.com/products/internal-storage/wd-red.html" target="_blank">hard disk drive spec sheets</a> state the operating temperature range is 0 - 65°C. But as seen <a href="https://www.delkin.com/blog/the-importance-of-ssd-industrial-temperature-considerations/" target="_blank">here</a>,</p><p></p><p>Even a basic <a href="http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/CT2000MX500SSD1" target="_blank">Crucial SSD</a> will operate in a range of 0 - 70°C (32°F - 158°F).</p><p></p><p>I find it interesting that Western Digital owns a whole separate brand created in 2010 called <a href="https://www.tegile.com/" target="_blank">Tegile</a> that develops all-flash (as well as hybrid) storage for the enterprise and date center environments. There is a lot of good reading there for those also interested.</p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite113" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /> I am guessing there is some confusion here. "Ambient temp" is the temperature of the room the computer sits in. If the room is air conditioned or heated, the temperature is likely close to what the thermostat is set at. If the room is not environmentally controlled, the room temperature will vary, depending on the outside temps. So while you may not keep a close eye on your ambient temp, I would guess you have a pretty good idea what they are. If not, put a thermometer on your desk and see. In any case, I would assume if your ambient temperature dropped to near freezing, you would put the heat on.</p><p></p><p>And computers do not have ambient temperature sensors.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Digerati, post: 769309, member: 59833"] No. But if reliability is poor, it is not likely to have a long life span. :( Bullfeathers! Where's your supporting documentation? Sorry, but that comment about HDs vs SSD in cold environments is total nonsense! Automobile manufacturers have been using flash memory in cars for decades - cars that sit overnight in sub-zero temps (or all day long in the hot Phoenix sun). How do you suppose computer systems boot in cars in Alaska, Canada, Sweeden and other places up north when you turn the key in the morning? Why don't car makers use hard drives instead of flash memory if hard drives are so much more "reliable" in those harsh environments? Car makers are always looking for ways to cut costs. Don't say it is because cars are mobile - they can "ruggedize" hard drives pretty easily. Besides, cars typically are sitting motionless when starting. :( Come on! Let's be a little realistic here. 17°C = 62.6°F. Are you really going to claim your SSD failed because it was too cold in your 62.6°F room? :rolleyes: I've worked in environmentally controlled, mission critical computer rooms that are maintained at a constant 60°F and 50% humidity. And gee whiz! One "occurrence" with one SSD failure does not set the rule for all SSDs either! :( This is especially true when there is absolutely no evidence failure to boot was even caused by the drive. It could have easily been the motherboard's drive interface, or any other number of things. If one does their homework and researches the facts, operating environment specifications for both hard drives and SSDs can easily be found. Note WDC "enterprise-class" [URL='https://www.wdc.com/products/internal-storage/wd-red.html']hard disk drive spec sheets[/URL] state the operating temperature range is 0 - 65°C. But as seen [URL='https://www.delkin.com/blog/the-importance-of-ssd-industrial-temperature-considerations/']here[/URL], Even a basic [URL='http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/CT2000MX500SSD1']Crucial SSD[/URL] will operate in a range of 0 - 70°C (32°F - 158°F). I find it interesting that Western Digital owns a whole separate brand created in 2010 called [URL='https://www.tegile.com/']Tegile[/URL] that develops all-flash (as well as hybrid) storage for the enterprise and date center environments. There is a lot of good reading there for those also interested. :confused: I am guessing there is some confusion here. "Ambient temp" is the temperature of the room the computer sits in. If the room is air conditioned or heated, the temperature is likely close to what the thermostat is set at. If the room is not environmentally controlled, the room temperature will vary, depending on the outside temps. So while you may not keep a close eye on your ambient temp, I would guess you have a pretty good idea what they are. If not, put a thermometer on your desk and see. In any case, I would assume if your ambient temperature dropped to near freezing, you would put the heat on. And computers do not have ambient temperature sensors. [/QUOTE]
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