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<blockquote data-quote="bazang" data-source="post: 1121049" data-attributes="member: 114717"><p>It does not depend upon the country. It depends upon the laws.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Apple has complied with every single U.S. National Security letter.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Cloudflare has complied with every single U.S. National Security letter.</li> </ul><p>There is a huge difference between law enforcement requests and national security service requests.</p><p></p><p>No U.S. company has ever survived a federal indictment arising from obstruction of justice (non-cooperation). In the case of Apple, Cloudflare, and any other U.S. company, not one of them will refuse to cooperate with a National Security letter. When the U.S. National Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issues court orders, every person, corporation, business, or even U.S. Government organization or agency must comply or else face contempt of court and/or prosecution.</p><p></p><p>Under U.S. law, law enforcement and prosecutors have what is called "prosecutorial discretion." That means they can prosecute a company like Apple if they wish or they do not.</p><p></p><p>You make a lot of comments about the U.S. but do not know how the laws or legal system there work. So your comments are dead wrong because they only contain the factual elements that support your narrative.</p><p></p><p>There is no doubt that had Google stayed in China, the CCP would have cracked-down hard on Google. Google attorneys advised getting out because China-based Google personnel were going to go to prison and the CCP was going to freeze and seize all Google assets that it could. The same with the Russia situation.</p><p></p><p>Companies either have to shut down or leave certain countries due to the laws because they have no option but to cooperate. If anybody thinks that is a good solution, it just confirms what I am saying - no company will imperil itself to protect any user data. If it comes down to it, the company will just fold and leave the nation. That really is not protecting anybody. The company is not taking a stance to protect users. It is fleeing to protect itself from prosecution, seizing of its assets, and imprisonment of its foreign personnel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bazang, post: 1121049, member: 114717"] It does not depend upon the country. It depends upon the laws. [LIST] [*]Apple has complied with every single U.S. National Security letter. [*]Cloudflare has complied with every single U.S. National Security letter. [/LIST] There is a huge difference between law enforcement requests and national security service requests. No U.S. company has ever survived a federal indictment arising from obstruction of justice (non-cooperation). In the case of Apple, Cloudflare, and any other U.S. company, not one of them will refuse to cooperate with a National Security letter. When the U.S. National Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issues court orders, every person, corporation, business, or even U.S. Government organization or agency must comply or else face contempt of court and/or prosecution. Under U.S. law, law enforcement and prosecutors have what is called "prosecutorial discretion." That means they can prosecute a company like Apple if they wish or they do not. You make a lot of comments about the U.S. but do not know how the laws or legal system there work. So your comments are dead wrong because they only contain the factual elements that support your narrative. There is no doubt that had Google stayed in China, the CCP would have cracked-down hard on Google. Google attorneys advised getting out because China-based Google personnel were going to go to prison and the CCP was going to freeze and seize all Google assets that it could. The same with the Russia situation. Companies either have to shut down or leave certain countries due to the laws because they have no option but to cooperate. If anybody thinks that is a good solution, it just confirms what I am saying - no company will imperil itself to protect any user data. If it comes down to it, the company will just fold and leave the nation. That really is not protecting anybody. The company is not taking a stance to protect users. It is fleeing to protect itself from prosecution, seizing of its assets, and imprisonment of its foreign personnel. [/QUOTE]
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