Security News Trump Taps Palantir to Compile Data on Americans

[oldschool]

If you understand legalese, the order states that it is not intended to violate any statutes.

Indeed, I speak legalese. He's the master of stating this with most of his orders, but the reality of his actions is far different.

Using "waste, fraud and abuse" is old school Republican doublespeak and another type of cover he employs, but the results don't match up. The real goals are attacking regulation, dismantling government programs and social services, and transferring wealth to the rich and ultra-rich.

 

[simmerskool]

Information Silos are the reason for your 911.
A read of the Executive Order shows it to be not anything relate to the NY Times article claims of "Trump could do this..." and "We fear Trump will do that..."

...and Trump always follows the law and complies with court orders... that's why there's so many lawsuits about his actions being unconstitutional.

 

[bazang]

Using "waste, fraud and abuse" is old school Republican doublespeak and another type of cover he employs, but the results don't match up. The real goals are attacking regulation, dismantling government programs and social services, and transferring wealth to the rich and ultra-rich.

There is no proof of any of that, but there is decades worth of Inspector General reports that show how wasteful the US Government is. It is incredible the amount of waste in America, and so many Americans are OK with that.

The American government has tried so many times to reduce waste - when Democrats were controlling the nation - and they never accomplished anything. The only way to accomplish it is to come in with an axe and chop away. Otherwise some pre-planned methods will never work.

The US needs an austerity program like the one in Greece and Argentina.

...and Trump always follows the law and complies with court orders... that's why there's so many lawsuits about his actions being unconstitutional.

Just because there is a lawsuit, does not mean that the party filing the case is correct. The judge(s) decide what is and what violates laws and regulations.

It is an absolute certainty that if AOC or Bernie Sanders were the President - firing off hundreds of unconstitutional Executive Orders, the people that hate Trump would have no problem with AOC's or Sanders' unconstitutional executive orders. Those people would argue "The President is doing what needs to be done by Executive Order."

Your country is messed-up and because your politicians are unwilling to work together to solve problems, eventually the US is going to create a financial crises far, far worse than 2008 - which will bring down the entire global financial system. The rest of us have to suffer because Americans are interested in fighting each other in socially destructive ways, and do nothing but create problems.

 

[cruelsister]

The Times certainly has a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. If instead they had done a bit of research (God Forbid) they would have noted that Palantir has had numerous contracts with various US departments going Back quite a few years like Dept of Energy, Dept of Homeland Security (which was renewed by Biden's autopen in 2022), Project Maven (Biden 2019), Dept of Energy, the DoD (since 2008) the Army, etc.

The contracts are actually not political in spite of what the uninformed Media may attest.

 

[simmerskool]

Your country is messed-up and because your politicians are unwilling to work together to solve problems, eventually the US is going to create a financial crises far, far worse than 2008 - which will bring down the entire global financial system. The rest of us have to suffer because Americans are interested in fighting each other in socially destructive ways, and do nothing but create problems.

we agree on this point

 

[bazang]

we agree on this point

Trump is not the cause. He is a symptom of American political rot and citizens' disgust with it.

America is now "You are my political enemy and I will fight for an "All of Nothing" war. Anarchists want to destroy any government anywhere.

The Times certainly has a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. If instead they had done a bit of research (God Forbid) they would have noted that Palantir has had numerous contracts with various US departments going Back quite a few years like Dept of Energy, Dept of Homeland Security (which was renewed by Biden's autopen in 2022), Project Maven (Biden 2019), Dept of Energy, the DoD (since 2008) the Army, etc.

The contracts are actually not political in spite of what the uninformed Media may attest.

Yeah, well, people are people and they're going to listen to whichever media that supports their world view regardless of that information being factual or not factual. The "Orange Man Bad" syndrome is huge.

The same thing happens elsewhere. The UK, Turkey, India, Japan, others.

 

[simmerskool]

The "Orange Man Bad" syndrome is huge.

The same thing happens elsewhere. The UK, Turkey, India, Japan, others.

but it does seem that the unethical business dealings, crypto dealings, contribute $1M get of jail card, are above and beyond what we have seen in past. I'd prefer we don't have another US civil war.

 

[bazang]

but it does seem that the unethical business dealings, crypto dealings, contribute $1M get of jail card, are above and beyond what we have seen in past. I'd prefer we don't have another US civil war.

Watching from an external location to the US, it seems commonsense obvious that the nation is divided sufficiently to warrant and actual division of US territory into two separate nations with different governments. In other words, partitioned - just like India/Pakistan, then Pakistan splintered off Bangladesh, Indonesia and Timor Lested, UK/Northern Ireland and Ireland, Palestine-Israel, Western and Eastern Germany, Southern & Northern Sudan, Korea and North Korea, etc.

It is a small minority on both political extremes that cause 90% or more of the problems within the US - and that includes foreign provocateurs and instigators. Leftist political violence is on the rise. People in the US are OK with political murders.

Spock said it best: "The needs of the many versus the needs of the few." He meant sacrifice minorities for the sake of the greater populace. Somewhere he also stated "Society cannot be all things to all people."

It is crazy to me that someone registered as a Republic is automatically labeled a "fascist bootlicker" and "homophone" and registered democrats want to make certain speech illegal and a jailable offense.

The US Democratic party is not the party for universal basic income, universal healthcare, and universal education. It never has been. Only fringe Democrats push for that. The Democrats are 100% owned by their election donating corporate overlords.

Trump is a reality TV drama shock-value jockey. He says stuff to stir the pot. The more drama, the more he enjoys it. He's not "Presidential." But he is trying to solve problems in his own way - as a business person - and not a politician. Government should be run in a fiscally responsible way (as a business) and the US Government is one of the most egregious examples of huge waste, fraud, abuse, and negligence by US Government personnel in the performance of their duty of financial oversight of American taxpayer funds.

Probably 98% of the US Government top politicians and leaders 1) have unethical business dealings, 2) crypto dealings, and the whole "$1 M get out of jail card" I have no idea what you mean by that. There is a "Pay $1M to the US Government and you will get a Permanent Residency permit."

I see very bad immigration problems from Turkey over to Greece, Italy, then across Europe up the Scandinavian nations. This level of immigration is not sustainable - and those nations have massively increased deportations.

America can have a 100% leftist government, and it will be the same as it is now - it would benefit the few - the top 25% of people within that system, and there would be no real improvement of conditions for the lower/bottom 75%.

It is regrettable, but it is the way of the world.