U.S., not Israel should lead possible strike on Iran

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U.S., not Israel should lead possible strike on Iran topic for you ..

Ehud Olmert: U.S., not Israel should lead possible strike on Iran : on Haaretz.com : http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/ehud-olmert-u-s-not-israel-should-lead-possible-strike-on-iran-1.427487

'In interview with CNN, former PM says military option should be the last resort, one supported by the Washington and the international community.'

'Israel could take part in a possible military strike on Iran, but should not lead it, former Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told CNN on Monday, saying that military action should take place only as if all other efforts fail.'

'Speaking to CNN's Christiane Amanpour on Monday, Olmert was asked about this "war within Israel" on how to deal with Iran's nuclear program, with the former PM saying: "I don't think there is a war, there is a serious and genuine dispute."

"The last resort is a military action, and I prefer it to be an American action, supported by the international community, if all the other efforts will fail," Olmert answered, saying Israel should only have a secondary role in such a scenario.

"The United States should be the one that decides on it, on the scope of it, on the extent of it, its cooperation," said Olmert. "Israel certainly could be a part of the effort, but Israel should not lead it." '


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Tzipi Livni quits Knesset, says Israel's leaders put country at existential risk : too on Haaretz.com : http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/tzipi-livni-quits-knesset-says-israel-s-leaders-put-country-at-existential-risk-1.427539

'Former Kadima leader Tzipi Livni resigned from the Knesset on Tuesday, warning in her resignation address that Israel's leaders are putting the country's existence at risk by choosing to ignore the mounting impatience on the part of the international community.' ..

'In her speech, Livni warned of an existential threat Israel faced under its current leadership, saying that "Israel is on a volcano, the international clock is ticking, and the existence of a Jewish, democratic state is in mortal danger."

"The real danger is a politics that buries its head in the sand," Livni said ..' ..

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[Deleted member 178]

Israel always hides behind USA, without them they are powerless... pathetic...

 

[Ramblin]

Israel always hides behind USA, without them they are powerless... pathetic...

Even though the US was the first country to recognize the independence of the state of Israel, the first time it sold weapons to Israel was in 1963. Thats after 2 wars between Israel and the Arab states and only after the Soviet Union and China put their noses in the Middle East, trying to get Egypt on their side during the Cold War that American military involvement with Israel really took off. That was in 1973 during the Yom Kippur war. Those are facts Umbra.

Bo

 

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Israel always hides behind USA, without them they are powerless... pathetic...

Hmm, I think like Olmert - if not, Israel really would run too great risk .. too great in this environment totally hostile, and waiting only a pretext ..

 

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In early June of 1967 Israel showed the world that it is not to be messed with. Again in 1973, as their friendly Arabian neighbors tried to sneak in and exterminate them during a religious holiday, Israel kicked the feces out of their neighbors. They might buy a lot of military hardware from us, but it is not like they have a stealth program, and their naval and nuclear capability is limited, though it has plenty of potency to sting the heck out of any nation on the planet. Israel is a junkyard dog surrounded by wolves; IT HAS NOTHING TO LOSE.

That said, I agree that the United States of America should handle it all, or at least do a joint mission with Israel. I am afraid that Obama is going to give Benjamin and Barak the green light to attack, and then throw them under the bus.

The latest news suggests that several F-22's have recently been stationed in the U.A.E. I will go ahead and assume that it will be many F-22 stealth fighters that cloak themselves 150-200 miles ahead of an Israeli swarm of bunker buster armed F-16's in order to expose and eradicate the Russian developed radar and defense systems of Iran.

Frankly, I will be astonished if Hussein Obama even has the rocks to so much as assist Israel.

The President of the United States is named "Hussein" and cannot seem to stop showing us unofficial photos of a type of birth certificate. I tell you one thing--if Obama was literally not born in the United States, we are headed for military mutiny and balkanization. That is disturbing enough without turning this whole thing into a third world war that will consist of at least 100,000,000 deaths.

 

[Deleted member 178]

Israel always hides behind USA, without them they are powerless... pathetic...

Even though the US was the first country to recognize the independence of the state of Israel, the first time it sold weapons to Israel was in 1963. Thats after 2 wars between Israel and the Arab states and only after the Soviet Union and China put their noses in the Middle East, trying to get Egypt on their side during the Cold War that American military involvement with Israel really took off. That was in 1973 during the Yom Kippur war. Those are facts Umbra.

Exactly, USA never do things by pure benevolence, they try to colonize Vietnam hoping to have a strategic position against the Soviet Union, same for Israel, but what i don't like on Israel politics, they use USA as a shield for their actions.

"If one guy hate you , you may think it is bad luck, if 10 guys hate you, he has good friends, if 100 guys hate you, you surely did something wrong to them"

Meditate...

 

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@ZOU: 'I tell you one thing--if Obama was literally not born in the United States, we are headed for military mutiny and balkanization. That is disturbing enough without turning this whole thing into a third world war that will consist of at least 100,000,000 deaths.'

- ZOU, can you expand your thoughts on this matter? .. military mutiny, balkanization - in USA? .... have you the links on the Web (articles, in writing - not the audio, please), who speak of this direction of affairs? I think it is rather a political fiction statements .. I hope!

This upsets me as well ..

.. and this: 'Israel is a junkyard dog surrounded by wolves' - very sad, but reality. - It is the fault of politicians, especially the extremists ..

Not ordinary people (who unfortunately are indoctrinated, brainwashed).

 

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@Umbra: ' "If one guy hate you , you may think it is bad luck, if 10 guys hate you, he has good friends, if 100 guys hate you, you surely did something wrong to them" '

Meditate...'

- My response: '- It is the fault of politicians, especially the extremists ..

Not ordinary people (who unfortunately are indoctrinated, brainwashed).'

 

[Gnosis]

- ZOU, can you expand your thoughts on this matter? .. military mutiny, balkanization - in USA? .... have you the links on the Web (articles, in writing - not the audio, please), who speak of this direction of affairs? I think it is rather a political fiction statements .. I hope!

It is just a theory off the top of my head;

If this scenario took place the Speaker of the House would have to take over as Commander and Chief because the whole Cabinet (President's advisers, VP, Sec. of State, Joint Chiefs, etc.) would be tainted. In the meantime, the military could easily spin out of control while the sitting President refuses to step down, while having no Constitutional authority over the military. Congress would be too spineless to have him removed and tried for treason amid that possible scenario. Then you would see Secession leading to Balkanization.

Just a wild guess.............

I have read a person's prognostication relative to possible Balkanization in the U.S., but I cannot recall the name of said person.

 

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- ZOU, can you expand your thoughts on this matter? .. military mutiny, balkanization - in USA? .... have you the links on the Web (articles, in writing - not the audio, please), who speak of this direction of affairs? I think it is rather a political fiction statements .. I hope!

It is just a theory off the top of my head;

If this scenario took place the Speaker of the House would have to take over as Commander and Chief because the whole Cabinet (President's advisers, VP, Sec. of State, Joint Chiefs, etc.) would be tainted. In the meantime, the military could easily spin out of control while the sitting President refuses to step down, while having no Constitutional authority over the military. Congress would be too spineless to have him removed and tried for treason amid that possible scenario. Then you would see Secession leading to Balkanization.

Just a wild guess.............

I have read a person's prognostication relative to possible Balkanization in the U.S., but I cannot recall the name of said person.

OK. ZOU, I find these 3 links for your read:

Will U.S. Troops Fire On American Citizens? : on theintelhub.com : http://theintelhub.com/2012/04/01/will-u-s-troops-fire-on-american-citizens/

Obama: The Postmodern Coup: Making of a Manchurian Candidate By Webster Griffin Tarpley (- book, read in Brzezinski throughs in his 'Second Chance' latest book ..): on Google search 'Brzezinski microstates balkanization' on books.google.com.my : http://books.google.com.my/books?id=3uPYo0pS9oIC&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=brzezinski+microstates+balkanization&source=bl&ots=jHtgm4sOsc&sig=QMLasDDnXIjE1sdPGMMsHOpzC-s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=dLeCT9aPGcj5rAf04rTjBQ&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=brzezinski%20microstates%20balkanization



Balkanize Me : on tvtropes.org : http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BalkanizeMe


- 'I think it is rather a political fiction statements .. I hope!'

So what you think what you think about

- Continue our conversation about balkanization in this topic, please : Balkanization of the World : (in Space Bar MT section) : http://malwaretips.com/Thread-Balkanization-of-the-World

Thank you! - because we talk here about US - Israel, and Iran problem.

 

[Gnosis]

Nuclear tips are going to have to be placed on bunker busters if Israel wants to penetrate the bunkers successfully.

 

[Ramblin]

Exactly, USA never do things by pure benevolence, they try to colonize Vietnam hoping to have a strategic position against the Soviet Union, same for Israel, but what i don't like on Israel politics, they use USA as a shield for their actions.

I can understand your resentment against the US for its involvement during the Vietnam war, it is understandable since the US made terrible mistakes in Vietnam after the late 50s but let me remind you that the first American soldier that died in Vietnam was not during the Vietnam war. It happened in 1942 when a American plane was shot down over Vietnam while bombing the Japanese.

Most likely, you would be talking Japanese now if the US had not joined Ho and the Viet Minh in the jungles of North Vietnam to fight the Japanese. US intelligence officers and the Viet Minh had developed a very good relationship and respected each other. Even President Roosevelt supported a free Vietnam after World War II but unfortunately he died too soon and Churchill and Degaulle wanted to keep their colonies intact.

I am not a big fan of FDR but he had lived 7 more months, I think Vietnam would have been recognized as an independent nation in Sept of 45 and the French would have had to agree. The result, no Vietnam war of independence. Can you imagine Umbra, no Vietnam war and a solid friendship between the US and Vietnam would have been born.

The US got involved during the Vietnam war to contain communist expansion but during World War II, they did it with nothing to gain for the US and all they wanted after winning the war was a free Vietnam.

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"If one guy hate you , you may think it is bad luck, if 10 guys hate you, he has good friends, if 100 guys hate you, you surely did something wrong to them"

Meditate...

Umbra, I like you a lot but this is a statement that I can not believe you wrote it . A nice fellow like you, you should be ashamed of writing this Umbra. This sounds like something written by a Nazi in 1940 Nazi Germany.

I could write 5/10 pages about the Israeli/Palestinian issue supporting either side and both replies would sound perfectly correct but that would become boring so I am just going to give you a few lines about that matter.

The Israeli/Palestinian issue is very complicated, both sides are right and both sides are wrong. Unfortunately that is the truth. When I was a young fellow, I found myself wanting to know about the issue and I ended up spending about a year reading about the subject. The more I read, the farther back I had to go in History and at the end of my quest to find the truth, I came with the conclusion that I wrote in the first sentence of this paragraph.

Today, I am a huge supporter of Israel and very proud to say it. What made me decide for Israel are personal reasons but when I was doing my quest to find the truth about the matter, I did not allow any personal biases to influence me.

Bo

 

[Deleted member 178]

Sorry Bo, i wrote this (but it was not especially focused on Israel or any country or religion), it applies to every being in the world, it is a fact. Unless i am especially psychotic and mad, i have no reason to hate someone/religion/country/ethny that did nothing wrong to me.

"there is no smoke without fire"

About the Vietnam war, the war will never happened if the Vietnamese national election promised on 1956 by the Geneva accord (after the defeat of France, supported by USA) was held (South Vietnam and USA refused it, Ho Chi Minh would have won).
Then, US by fear of communism imagined the false "Domino Theory"and send "military councilors" to help their South Vietnam "allies".

And please don't keep saying that USA are savior of the world, and Vietnam will speak japanese if they didn't help...it is insulting...especially from a civilized nation whose soldiers tortured, butchered and raped vietnamese civilians... (it is exactly what i dont like about american mindset). USA are involved in most of the big wars that happened and not with clean hands...
Vietnam kicked the Chinese, the French and the American, and with or without the USA, the result will be surely the same against the Japanese.

 

[Ramblin]

In 1950 after the Chinese Nationalist were defeated in the Chinese civil war and the Korean war, things changed as the Cold war got heated. Western nations got scared and they were right to be scared. The Communist menace was for real. The Soviet Union had taken over half of Europe and they wanted more.

Did you know that in Dec 1941, when the Germans were only miles away from Moscow, German planes bombing Moscow, Stalin was already thinking on what to gain for the Soviet Union after the war. He was negotiating Europe (with the allies) and the Germans were only miles away. Amazing. That was Stalin when he was almost defeated, just imagine how he was after beating the Nazis. He was hungry for conquest. The cold war started long before World War II ended.

Anyway, like I said before, the US committed errors with respect to Vietnam in the late 50s. Those errors would not have been committed if US politicians in Washington had listen to intelligence reports coming from agents stationed in South China or North Vietnam between 1940 and 1945.

The West should have recognized the independence of Vietnam after the War. Not doing it was a mistake. After 1950, things changed.

Umbra, I know the US was wrong in Vietnam but for the most part, throughout its history, it has done good for the World. I ll take that a little farther and add that the West has been good for the World. Sure, colonizing Africa, the Americas or Asia don't seem like a good thing but that's part of World History. I mean, there have being many empires throughout history, coming from different parts of the World and conquering land, countries is written in every countries history pages. In my opinion, when you add all the good things that come from the West and subtracts the bad, the result is positive unlike what others have done before. I truly believe what I just said, Umbra.

The Domino theory?, you are going to hate what I am going to say but I ll say it anyway, please don't mind. The spread of Communism in Asia was stopped when the US got involved in Vietnam. Same thing happened when it got involved in Central America in the 1980s. I am from Central America and I am grateful that the US got involved over here, the Communist in Central America, in 1980, had set their mind to make it all the way to Mexico. When the US got involved, Communism got contained in my country. It did not spread. The theory is real .


Bo

 

[Deleted member 178]

What you said is not false, i just don't like US gov involve in other countries' affairs only when they see a benefit... they should rather focus and spend their resources for their own citizen needs instead of warfaring for "a new world order", they have lot to do especially in social fields.