Windows 8 to have built-in anti-virus - there's good and bad news

[illumination]

Microsoft will ship Windows 8 with built-in anti-virus software.

Which is good news. And bad news. To find out who for, read on...
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[Jack]

Now that's a news if it proves to be true.
I remember that everyone freaked out when Microsoft announced that MSE will be also shipped trough the Windows Update system to those user who don't have a av. installed and later turned out to be actually a good and 'fair for the competition' idea.
Has Microsoft given any additional information on how this procedure will go on?

1.Will this be a standard process,meaning : Install Windows 8 >> Automatically Install Windows 8 (without any way of avoiding this process)
OR
2.More as a optional step : Install Windows 8 >> During the install process you have to check/uncheck a box to install MSE. (which would be fair enough)

Right now MSE has 11% Word wide market share if by any chance this would go to 50% or above we will have some serious security problems because cyber criminals will start creating malware to avoid just this security layer and won't even bother with the other security solutions. Basically before releasing a malicious program into the wild they can test it ,to make sure that it isn't detected by MSE....
This move will also kill all the competition in the security filed because most user will just go with MSE out of commodity.
As a note I don't think that Microsoft will be able to automatically install MSE for the UE users. Most likely we will get a screen like this :

 

[win7holic]

I just hope, MSE will improving for new version on windows 8 in future.
and I think that other vendors such as symantec, kaspersky,etc will get less customers,

 

[McLovin]

This will be interesting to have a built-in antivirus.

 

[jamescv7]

Actually its a good news caused MSE is a free AV made by Microsoft. Also Windows 8 have built in SmartScreen Filter which is also add a good combination.

 

[Ink]

Could be one the many reasons, Microsoft allowed earlier access for security vendors.

 

[Lindows]

Now that's a news if it proves to be true.
I remember that everyone freaked out when Microsoft announced that MSE will be also shipped trough the Windows Update system to those user who don't have a av. installed and later turned out to be actually a good and 'fair for the competition' idea.
Has Microsoft given any additional information on how this procedure will go on?

1.Will this be a standard process,meaning : Install Windows 8 >> Automatically Install Windows 8 (without any way of avoiding this process)
OR
2.More as a optional step : Install Windows 8 >> During the install process you have to check/uncheck a box to install MSE. (which would be fair enough)

Right now MSE has 11% Word wide market share if by any chance this would go to 50% or above we will have some serious security problems because cyber criminals will start creating malware to avoid just this security layer and won't even bother with the other security solutions. Basically before releasing a malicious program into the wild they can test it ,to make sure that it isn't detected by MSE....
This move will also kill all the competition in the security filed because most user will just go with MSE out of commodity.
As a note I don't think that Microsoft will be able to automatically install MSE for the UE users. Most likely we will get a screen like this :

I agree..... Until MSE's self defense is improved and added some kind of HIPS!

 

[illumination]

Actually its a good news caused MSE is a free AV made by Microsoft. Also Windows 8 have built in SmartScreen Filter which is also add a good combination.

It is a good combination, i just hope they continue to improve MSE's impact on system resources, make it a little lighter.. The addition of those two, add WOT and good password manager, and a second opinion on demand scanner, and you would be pretty well good to go!

 

[WinAndLinuxTutorials]

In Windows 8 Milestone 3 Build 7959, I noticed that in folder options, there is an option to enable or disable smartscreen filter in Windows, and that was interesting. And now if Windows 8 will come with a built in antivirus, this is going to be a lot more interesting.

 

[jamescv7]

The good thing also that SmartScreen Filter was derived from IE9 so it comes with Reputation Feature.

 

[Jack]

Will Windows 8 Destroy the Consumer Antivirus Market?

Microsoft showed off Windows 8 this week at its BUILD conference and revealed quite a bit about what we can expect. Among the many revelations was that Windows Defender will be expanded to offer full protection against all sorts of malware, on par with Microsoft Security Essentials.

PCMag's own software analyst, Michael Muchmore, said: "This obviates the need for a separate AV program."
But does it really? I asked experts from over a dozen major security companies and got a wide variety of responses. Here are the early responses

Some Vendors Unworried
GFI Software : "There will always be people who will opt for a free product," said Eckelberry, "and there are those who will prefer the enhanced functionality and technical support of a paid product. The fact that a free product is now baked into the OS will certainly raise eyebrows among antivirus companies (and potentially antitrust litigators) and it may have an impact on user purchasing behavior, but a pre-installed antivirus product is a far cry from the type of robust solutions you see today."
He went on to observe that "there is an entire financial ecosystem based around antivirus. For example, 'tech benches' (Geeksquad, etc.) make a handsome profit on selling users antivirus." Eckelberry concluded, "In the end, all a user needs is one bad infection to change their mind about their antivirus protection."

Check Point Software Technologies,(Zone Alarm) : "Microsoft hasn't gone far enough. "Any improvement in security is a step in the right direction," said Gable. "Malware is fast evolving, and consumers need more protection. However, one critical area that Windows is still lacking is a powerful and easy-to-use two-way firewall. Currently, Windows only has an active inbound firewall on by default. While users can turn on their outbound firewall, they will quickly be overwhelmed by alerts. Minimum security requires an effective inbound and outbound firewall that works silently in the background to stop Internet attacks at the front door and catch thieves on the way out."


Symantec Unimpressed
Symantec vice president of product marketing, had a lot to say on the subject. Like CheckPoint's Gable, he feels Microsoft hasn't gone far enough. "In today's threat landscape," said Plante, "it's clear that the protection consumers need is more comprehensive than what basic antivirus offers. Antivirus is just the first basic layer. On top of that, reputation, file, behavior and network based protection are needed to help fully protect consumers."
Plante also noted that the existing Microsoft Security Essentials product doesn't offer the best protection. "This next version of Windows Defender is just a repackaging of Microsoft Security Essentials. In a recent third-party, real-world protection and remediation test conducted by AV-Test GmbH… Microsoft Security Essentials came in last out of a total of 13 security solutions."
Finally he casted doubt on the idea of relying on Microsoft for security. "When it comes to securing their data and personal information, consumers need to look to a company that has shown a consistent commitment to security. Microsoft's history in the security space and the deviations it's made from its original strategy, starting with the abandonment of Windows Live OneCare, should leave consumers uncertain about relying on Microsoft to protect what they value most."

Webroot Welcomes Change
Webroot chief architect, Mel Morris, thinks that Microsoft's move will benefit the antivirus industry. "We welcome Microsoft's initiative," said Morris. "It makes conventional AV available to a wider audience. People will then realize and in turn focus more on what the real threats are." He went on to observe, "Microsoft's motives are probably more aligned to helping drive revenue growth than making a real impact on Internet safety."
"From a security perspective," added Morris, "this initiative is insignificant compared with [Microsoft's] move to add anti-phishing protection to Internet Explorer." Morris did express concern for Windows 8 users who already have a conventional antivirus installed. He worried that the conventional antivirus and Windows Defender "may have compatibility issues, cause performance issues, or even fight and stop each other from working."
"Today's threats are designed to avoid detection by conventional AV products," continued Morris.

Security Monoculture a Problem
Kaspersky Lab : "From a technical perspective this would mean malware authors will make sure their creations go undetected by MSE/Defender before deployment," said Schouwenberg. "We've seen this over the years. With the growing popularity of Windows 7 there's been more focus on circumventing [User Account Control]. If MSE were to become a standard the bad guys will simply adapt."

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[Deleted member 178]

unless they make a potent full security suite build-in, security vendors will not be worried.

 

[win7holic]

as i said before. antivirus company will feel worry about this.
"their will get less customers"
i think, and very Likely They Will Be Forced to Make an antivirus for free and get more users again and it's like bait to get customers.
but the question was, whether it can if in the windows 8 has a built-in antivirus, whether it can be in the remove or uninstall?

 

[jamescv7]

Well on that case they must put remove/uninstall the built in AV. Its impossible like Windows Defender to disable the protection.

 

[Deleted member 178]

Its impossible like Windows Defender to disable the protection.

you can disable Windows Defender service

 

[win7holic]

yes. it for windows defender on windows 7.
how about in windows 8?
hopefully their make like that too. disable for AV "built-in" too ,i mean.

 

[jamescv7]

Well what I mean was its impossible to built-in AV to just disable the protection and install other AV (if they didn't add the uninstall process) unlike in Windows Defender known as anti-spyware it can disable the protection.

 

[Littlebits]

I believe this reduce the amount of malware infections in the wild.
With about 98% or more users who are novice and many of them don't know how to do security maintenance, keep their AV updated, etc. Many novice users don't even know about free AV's, they let their paid subscriptions expire, get infected and spread the infections to others.

This new Windows Defender will be an good idea to stop the spread of malware in general. Already installed, auto updates and maintenance free.

Of coarse it won't provide the best protection but novice users can't handle the best protection like (HIPS, sandboxing, etc.) but it will provide good protection for free.

Thanks.

 

[win7holic]

and their (windows defender) must improving blocking.