- Feb 14, 2013
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Windows Vista has a very long record of update bugs. My parents had Vista until 2 years ago, and I always hated working on their computer. It ran into update problems about every 3-4 months.
Microsoft Support says Security Patches will not make your PC more secure!
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- Feb 14, 2013
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I'm convinced that Microsoft is doing everything they can to force users to upgrade to Windows 10.
I don't understand people that are still using Windows Vista in 2016. I would rather install a Linux distro on the laptop/computer rather than dealing with that OS. I'll keep an eye out for your update issue on other forums, though they've all been solved so far by installing the KBs I listed previously.
Edit: These are what would call conspiracy theories, and without solid proofs, they are nothing but theories sadly.
Edit: These are what would call conspiracy theories, and without solid proofs, they are nothing but theories sadly.
- Feb 14, 2013
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Some users are reporting similar problems on the Windows Club Forum. Some Mods say they are having the same problem.
The overwhelming majority of users that experience these type of problems do not report them. They don't notice that Windows is failing to update, don't understand it's bad, or just don't care. Most users don't care about security until it causes them to loose their files, have their private information compromised, an example of this would be Identity theft, or it just causes them a huge inconvenience not being able to use their PC.
I just noticed the time, I have to leave for an appointment. If I have time I will check on the thread again later.
jelson
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- Jun 14, 2011
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The problem with Windows Update (WU) on Win7 machines taking hours... and sometimes days... to finish "Searching for updates" started back in April. As you can read in this InfoWorld article, the fix was to install the March WU Client patch {KB3138612} and the April security update for the Windows Graphics Component {KB 3145739} And that solved the problem for myself and many others.
But next month, May, WU scans once again took forever to complete. What worked then was to install the May security update for Windows kernel-mode drivers {KB3153199} first and by itself. Afterwards, WU scans were reported to complete in a matter of minutes.
But there was a bit of a Catch-22 here: if a WU scans is taking forever, how do you install KB3153199 first and by itself? Choice was to simply wait OR to download it from Windows Update Catalog and install it manually.
BUT, when you tried to install it manually you were still greeted with the "Searching for updates" message. The fix for that was to disconnect your machine from the internet (unplug the ethernet cable or disable WIFI) and then "Stop" the Windows Update service. Then the manual install proceeds rapidly. (Source)
In June, installing another security update for Windows kernel-mode driver {KB3161664} manually restored WU scan speeds on Win7 machines. (Source1) (additional Source behind paywall)
In July, once again it was another Windows kernel-mode drivers patch {KB3168965} that needed to installed manually to restore Win7 WU scan times. That was also when Dalai published his research on restoring WU scan speeds on Win7 machines: http://wu.krelay.de/en/2016-07.htm
Subsequently, this resulted in a flurry of postings on this subject on the AskWoody blog. as well as the Aug update of Dalia's solution: http://wu.krelay.de/en/2016-08.htm
And while the free update to Win10 was still valid, I used the procedure I detailed in my earlier post to bring a Win7 VM and a little-used Win7 laptop to a fully patched state and then upgraded them. Those instructions are based on this comment by ch100 on the "Best way to get Windows 7 updated" on the AskWoody blog.
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You have put together some really good instructions in this one post. I still have a few Machines with Windows 7 on them that I have not been able to update, or upgrade. One is a Sony Vaio Laptop which I really may need in the future. When I have time I will look back at this post, and some of the others for reference.
I never had a problem updating Windows 7 until Window 10 was released. It seems to me that Microsoft may be lacking in Business ethics. I find it hard to believe that all these bugs that have been continuously released since Window 10 arrived are accidental. The Microsoft techs I chatted with informed me that the bugs preventing me from connecting to Microsoft update server were server side, and that they have been aware of these bugs for quite some time. I'm paraphrasing of course.
Many Schools, Hospitals, and Businesses still use Window 7. Can you imagine having to manually install all these updates on Hundreds, and even thousands of machines! If they are having these problems they will have no option other than to upgrade.
jelson
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I'm not at all suprised... I have long suspected a big part of the slow Win7 Update problems had to do with changes they made to their updates servers after the "Get Windows 10" campaign got under way.
As for business ethics... M$ has always been first and foremost a marketing company... secondly, a smart purchaser of good technology companies... and service has always been a distant third at best -- if you're one of their enterprise customers... consumers are not really considered (except as beta-testers)
And I believe that, at least in part, this whole new procedure of cumulative/roll-up updates is also designed to motivate their customers to move to Windows 10. (I'd be deeply shocked if M$ devotes any energy or personnel to fixing the Win7 Update debacle.)
Good luck cutting_edgetech... (P.S. I enjoy your posts on Wilders)
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Let's debunk the conspiracy theory, actually it is the machine problem of user where hardware or software cause on updates to be problematic. Likely few which will route on buggy patches.
Second in terms of security updates, many reliable sources prove that it lessens the future risk but not majority. That's why its called patches meaning it will apply on specific parts only.
Second in terms of security updates, many reliable sources prove that it lessens the future risk but not majority. That's why its called patches meaning it will apply on specific parts only.
jelson
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@cutting_edgetech, you aren't the only one to experience this problem: Windows 7 clean install refuses all updates -AskWoody
You might find a comment by CanadianTech interesting:
It's becoming increasingly clear that the primary culprit in these cases is the Windows Update Agent, v. 7.6.7600.320 (wuaueng.dll) (Ref):
You might find a comment by CanadianTech interesting:
FYI: the CanadianTech "Solution" referred is to manually install the April 2015 servicing stack update {KB3020369} and then the WUC update inside the July 2016 roll-up {3172605}
It's becoming increasingly clear that the primary culprit in these cases is the Windows Update Agent, v. 7.6.7600.320 (wuaueng.dll) (Ref):
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@Aura I still have my 10 year old Windows Vista computer on the OS to this day. Havwent formatted it because it has Ben running Avast for 3,000+ days maybe I'll get a discount. 
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