App Review AV test #5 - underrated Emsisoft vs recent malware

[Parkinsond]

Unless a user has a 4 or 8 GB RAM system

Yes I have only 8 GB RAM, so I prefer to use RAM efficient programs, epsecially if they are not slow meanwhile.

 

[Divergent]

Not if you finely selecting resources-efficient programs.

It's a balance between efficiency and resilience. A highly efficient system is excellent, but a highly resilient system is secure. Your point about program selection is a fantastic example of achieving efficiency, and my point about having a resource buffer is about ensuring resilience. Both are critical for a secure and stable system.

 

[Trident]

Yes I have only 8 GB RAM, so I prefer to use RAM efficient programs, epsecially if they are not slow meanwhile.

That's great. But commenting on who's efficient and well engineered based on the fact that Kaspersky uses less RAM which is perfect for your situation, is a bit...

There was nothing that was more optimised than the old Norton (from 2009 onwards). Kaspersky won't reach that quality in the next 20-30 years.
Scans were fast, install was less than a minute, nothing was slowed down, UI launched immediately, CPU and memory usage were ridiculously low.

The one that's light and optimised now is McAfee.

I know it hurts you, but that's the fact.

 

[Khushal]

Here we go again... people complaining about Emsisoft's RAM usage.

Using high RAM only slows does a system if that system has inadequate RAM such as 4 or 8 GB. Most systems today should have at least 16 GB RAM, which unless the user is constantly doing heavy video editing work, should not be maxxed-out even with Emsisoft on the system.

The trend for the past few years are devices with 32 and 64 GB RAM. So unless everybody is using 10 to 15 year old systems, there is more than sufficient RAM for Emsisoft.

Emsisoft prioritizes CPU usage so it could cause spikes if an infection is detected. Those old CPUs will putz along for a few minutes.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Emsisoft's system resource usage.

All the features in the Emsisoft web portal - I think most home users don't need them.

yes, the tester also did go through the management console settings. (see pic below) But he didn't test both the configurations.

According to Emsisoft's official website :

• Memory usage optimization – When enabled, this option reduces the amount of RAM being used by swapping out non-active data (such as signatures) to the pagefile. On older computers this may result in system slowdowns. If you have sufficient RAM, you may wish to disable this feature to ensure maximum speed.

Also check out below links:

Advanced Settings

The Advanced section allows you to change a range of general and privacy settings. Select your preferred settings by selecting or deselecting the following check boxes: Start on Windows startup – To prevent new […]

www.emsisoft.com

Why antivirus uses so much RAM - And why that is actually a good thing!

Learn why freeing RAM doesn't necessarily speed up your computer. In reality it's often quite the opposite.

www.emsisoft.com

 

[Khushal]

An antivirus performane has got nothing to do with its memory usage whatsoever (in fact using less memory can slower detections methods and make them less efficient).

Performance is linked to:
How many APIs/API calls are hooked and monitored? The more of them are monitored, the better security, however whitelisting and excluding API calls from monitoring increases performance.
Exclusions from monitoring: Some AVs may refuse to scan trusted files and may not monitor trusted or signed processes. This creates lighter solution, but also, reduces security.
Caching: how efficient the caching is, how long it is maintained for, first level cahce, second level cache and so on. The better the caching, the better the performance, however, this leads to a sight reduction of security.
Coding: efficiently optimising and fine tuning the code to reduce duplicated and redundant operations.

These are the few top factors that affect performance.

Don't make me install Kaspersky and monitor the CPU usage and we'll see how "light" it is and who is running out of evidence.

Do it for Parkinsond's sake. He might push for Kaspersky's premium if proven right. If proven wrong, well...

 

[Parkinsond]

When enabled, this option reduces the amount of RAM being used by swapping out non-active data (such as signatures) to the pagefile

Pagefiles of large size will make your SSD life shorter, especially if is of smaller size, or have small free space left, and you will kill it for not the best protection you could gain.

 

[roger_m]

Kaspersky won't reach that quality in the next 20-30 years.

Kasperksy is fairly light these days. It's certainly a lot better than it was a number of years ago. Although it's certainly not as light at the new McAfee for example.

Pagefiles of large size will make your SSD life shorter, especially if is of smaller size, or have small free space left, and you will kill it for not the best protection you could gain.

They won't have a significant affect on the life.

 

[Parkinsond]

That's great. But commenting on who's efficient and well engineered based on the fact that Kaspersky uses less RAM which is perfect for your situation, is a bit...

There was nothing that was more optimised than the old Norton (from 2009 onwards). Kaspersky won't reach that quality in the next 20-30 years.
Scans were fast, install was less than a minute, nothing was slowed down, UI launched immediately, CPU and memory usage were ridiculously low.

The one that's light and optimised now is McAfee.

I know it hurts you, but that's the fact.

No it did not hurt; I use use MD wisely and it provides all protection I need.

 

[Parkinsond]

Although it's certainly not as light at the new McAfee for example

Did not use McAfee before to say, and I am not intending to use 3rd party AV in the near future.
Regarding K, it the lightest 3rd party AV I have ever used, not to mention the quality of protection.

 

[Trident]

No it did not hurt; I use use MD wisely and it provides all protection I need.

You should use whatever makes you happy and serves you well, this is what being a consumer is all about - you choose who's gonna give you the best service and you open up your wallet for them.

But when comparing/evaluating solutions, you need to be fair, go in depth and be objective.

Regarding K, it the lightest 3rd party AV I have ever used,

It is definitely not the lightest I've used thugh, so shall we keep beating around the bush and argue till tomorrow?

not to mention the quality of protection.

There is very little evidence that in real world scenario, others are failing to provide the same quality of protection.
Your assesment is based on a flawed theory that everyone, the whole world will be affected by scripts (that hit 3 systems in total before someone uploaded on Bazar). And Kaspersky uses default-deny on scripts. This is what the entire "Kaspersky is the master" theory lies on.

 

[Divergent]

Instead of focusing on brand comparisons, let's focus on the underlying security principles. The conversation we were having about the page file and memory usage is a great example. These are technical concepts that apply to any security software. Understanding them helps you make informed decisions, regardless of whether you're using Emsisoft, Kaspersky, or any other suite.

Let's bring the conversation back to those core principles.

 

[Trident]

Instead of focusing on brand comparisons, let's focus on the underlying security principles. The conversation we were having about the page file and memory usage is a great example. These are technical concepts that apply to any security software. Understanding them helps you make informed decisions, regardless of whether you're using Emsisoft, Kaspersky, or any other suite.

Let's bring the conversation back to those core principles.

But the topic is not about the RAM usage and page files, for that there are the Microsoft forums. It is about Emsisoft... why don't we discuss Emsisoft instead... Or if we don't know anything about Emsisoft then why don't we just stay away from the discussion?

 

[Parkinsond]

Instead of focusing on brand comparisons, let's focus on the underlying security principles. The conversation we were having about the page file and memory usage is a great example. These are technical concepts that apply to any security software. Understanding them helps you make informed decisions, regardless of whether you're using Emsisoft, Kaspersky, or any other suite.

Let's bring the conversation back to those core principles.

Protection-wise, Emsisoft did not perform well according to @Shadowra test.

 

[Parkinsond]

There is very little evidence that in real world scenario, others are failing to provide the same quality of protection

Your statement applies to MD too, so I use it.

 

[Khushal]

Protection-wise, Emsisoft did not perform well according to @Shadowra test.

That GDI malware was skidware and on my test VM it did not overwrite the MBR.

 

[Trident]

Protection-wise, Emsisoft did not perform well according to @Shadowra test.

OK, but there are many others that performed well. Not just Kaspersky... or am I wrong?

 

[Divergent]

But the topic is not about the RAM usage and page files, for that there are the Microsoft forums. It is about Emsisoft... why don't we discuss Emsisoft instead... Or if we don't know anything about Emsisoft then why don't we just stay away from the discussion?

The high RAM usage we discussed earlier is a consequence of this effective, memory-based behavioral monitoring, which is a core part of how Emsisoft provides it's level of protection.

 

[Parkinsond]

OK, but there are many others that performed well. Not just Kaspersky... or am I wrong?

No, you are right about that.

 

[Parkinsond]

That GDI malware was skidware and on my test VM it did not overwrite the MBR.

I am not the expert; @Shadowra is; you may discuss the shortcoming of the test with the tester.

 

[Khushal]

The high RAM usage we discussed earlier is a consequence of this effective, memory-based behavioral monitoring, which is a core part of how Emsisoft provides it's level of protection.

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