Ban new combustion engines cars and vans by 2035; zero CO2 emission says EU

[Ink]

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23599412/eu-parliament-vote-ban-combustion-engine-cars-vans-2035-law

The European Parliament has given its formal approval to new vehicle emissions standards that would effectively ban the widespread sale of combustion engine cars and vans in the 27-country bloc by 2035, the organization announced today.

340 members voted in favor of the rules, versus 279 against, and 21 abstained.

An initial agreement on the new rules was reached last October, which calls for all cars and vans sold in the EU to emit zero CO2 emissions by the middle of next decade. The rules still have a couple more stages to go through before becoming law.

Official source below

Fit for 55: zero CO2 emissions for new cars and vans in 2035 | News | European Parliament

Parliament approved the new CO2 emissions reduction targets for new passenger cars and light commercial vehicles, part of the “Fit for 55” package.

www.europarl.europa.eu

The new legislation sets the path towards zero CO2 emissions for new passenger cars and light commercial vehicles in 2035 (an EU fleet-wide target to reduce CO2 emissions produced by new cars and vans by 100% compared to 2021). Intermediate emissions reduction targets for 2030 are set at 55% for cars and 50% for vans.

Other key measures foreseen by the regulation:

• The Commission will present by 2025 a methodology to assess and report data on CO2 emissions throughout the full life-cycle of cars and vans sold on the EU market, accompanied by legislative proposals where appropriate;
• By December 2026, the Commission will monitor the gap between the emission limit values and the real-world fuel and energy consumption data, report on a methodology for adjusting the manufacturers' specific CO2 emissions, and propose appropriate follow-up measures;
• Manufacturers responsible for small production volumes in a calendar year (1 000 to 10 000 new cars or 1 000 to 22 000 new vans) may be granted a derogation until the end of 2035 (those registering fewer than 1 000 new vehicles per year continue to be exempt);
• The current zero- and low- emission vehicles (ZLEV) incentive mechanism, which rewards manufacturers that sell more such vehicles (with emissions from zero to 50g CO2/km, such as electric vehicles and well-performing plug-in hybrids) with lower CO2 emission reduction targets, will be adapted to meet expected sales trends. From 2025 to 2029, the ZLEV benchmark is set at 25% for the sales of new cars, and 17% for new vans, and as of 2030 the incentive will be removed;
• Every two years, starting from the end of 2025, the Commission will publish a report to evaluate the progress towards zero-emission road mobility.

 

[MuzzMelbourne]

Has anybody solved the problem of reprocessing LiON batteries yet?

Every year Australia has 140,000 tons of waste LiON batteries. We export 126,000 tons to 3rd World countries and landfill the rest locally. My understanding is, the technology to 'safely' dispose of this stuff still hasn't been developed.

Surely rules like this are only going to exacerbate the problem worldwide.

 

[show-Zi]

It could have a major impact on Japanese industries and jobs that have continued to grapple with internal combustion engines.
However, as Japan's labor force is on the decline, it is conceivable that it could eventually be successfully overcome.
In any case, there is no denying that it is no longer a country that prides itself on technology.

 

[ForgottenSeer 98186]

lol, the EU will never have the electric grid infrastructure to handle transition to electric vehicles by then. The car manufacturers will build all the electric cars the world could possibly want, but the world's electric infrastructure is 50 years behind in the ability to meet charging capacity. Silly rabbits.

 

[HarborFront]

Now, the gas pipelines have been bombed and gone, and EU foresee the gas/oil supply from Russia is disrupted and unlikely to resume. Even if the pipelines get repaired and resumed, the saboteurs are still there...............ready to take out the gas pipelines again

So electric vehicles will have to take the place of internal combustion engine vehicles.

It could have a major impact on Japanese industries and jobs that have continued to grapple with internal combustion engines.
However, as Japan's labor force is on the decline, it is conceivable that it could eventually be successfully overcome.
In any case, there is no denying that it is no longer a country that prides itself on technology.

Japanese internal combustion engine vehicle industries is a gone case in the coming years. China is the leader in electric vehicles and with its flying car as well

Testing A Brand New $236,000 World's First Electric Flying Car

lol, the EU will never have the electric grid infrastructure to handle transition to electric vehicles by then. The car manufacturers will build all the electric cars the world could possibly want, but the world's electric infrastructure is 50 years behind in the ability to meet charging capacity. Silly rabbits.

Countries which rely on their oil/gas giants like Shell, Exxon, BP, Chevron, Aramco etc which monopolize the world will face a hard time down the road. Going electric is the way. As for the electric infrastructure, it can be built up quite fast as compared to building pipelines across the country.

Countries which involve in the betterment of climate change will push for lower carbon emission, resulting in the use of nuclear/solar/geothermal/wave plants to produce electricity instead of oil/gas power plants. Laying cables is definitely faster than layer pipelines across the country.

 

[Sorrento]

In the UK which used to be self sufficient in gas from the North Sea now imports from Norway also elsewhere and pressured vessel ships - The resultant problem is its rare for Combined Gas Turbine to produce less than 50% of UK electricity & often more - Many wind turbines have been built but during max peak in winter for example during high pressure areas often its often less than the %17.00 it is today - UK has also had coal fired on standby & been using them - The government pushes electric cars yet has little idea how the grid will hold up & maybe thinks I wont be in office then - I have friends who think they are so green don't realise the electricity they used to charge them is frequently %60+ fossil fuel as in gas (and Biomass as in Drax which burns wood chips up to %8) which is transmitted over many miles with losses incurred. - Nuclear is one answer but it's maybe 5 years to build one & longer to clean up after use.

UK Grid
Drax Biomass

 

[ForgottenSeer 98186]

Countries which rely on their oil/gas giants like Shell, Exxon, BP, Chevron, Aramco etc which monopolize the world will face a hard time down the road. Going electric is the way. As for the electric infrastructure, it can be built up quite fast as compared to building pipelines across the country.

Countries which involve in the betterment of climate change will push for lower carbon emission, resulting in the use of nuclear/solar/geothermal/wave plant to produce electricity instead of oil/gas power plants. Laying cables is definitely faster than layer pipelines across the country.

Pipelines are already there, plus building the required full infrastructure (not just charging stations but the electric grid that can supply those millions upon millions of charging stations) is a multi-decade project. It is estimated that it will take 50-100 years to build-out the infrastructure needed to support the current 1.5 billion vehicles. It is not just a matter of building charge stations. The world's existing electric infrastructure cannot supply nor support the required amount of electricity. For it to do so will require 50 years of continuous, intensive retrofitting and build-out, to include all the additional power-generation points needed to supply the demand. Some engineering estimates put that as a 75 or even 100 year project, and that is probably more accurate than 50 years.

That does not even cover the cost of everybody having to ditch their low-cost petroleum vehicles to an expensive EV one. Then an additional fee of thousands of dollars to install the electric charging station at their residence. That alone will cause world-wide unrest.

 

[cruelsister]

What Fools These Mortals Be...

 

[Digmor Crusher]

Humans. Either too dumb or too greedy to do anything to save the planet, doesn't matter though, in 100 years or so we will all be gone I believe.

 

[show-Zi]

As for nuclear power, we must be aware of the possibility of catastrophe at the whim of the earth.

I would like to see the utilization of static electricity through the frictional heat of clothing put to practical use in some other country.

 

[Zero Knowledge]

Sadly, I think it's already too late. I'm an optimist but it's going to get very bad. We have polluted the world's oceans which are just filled with garbage and plastic, cut down the forests around the world and especially in the Amazon and polluted the earth's cities while making large % of biodiversity and animal life extinct. The time to act was 15 years and it doesn't appear that the biggest polluters and the world's biggest economies want to act to stop the current downward trend.

 

[Brahman]

Has anybody solved the problem of reprocessing LiON batteries yet?

Every year Australia has 140,000 tons of waste LiON batteries. We export 126,000 tons to 3rd World countries and landfill the rest locally. My understanding is, the technology to 'safely' dispose of this stuff still hasn't been developed.

Surely rules like this are only going to exacerbate the problem worldwide.

Lithium can now be recycled

Lithium from Norwegian electric car batteries isn't recycled that often. Instead, it ends up as waste when other metals it's mixed with are recycled. But this may change.

phys.org

 

[MuzzMelbourne]

Lithium can now be recycled

Lithium from Norwegian electric car batteries isn't recycled that often. Instead, it ends up as waste when other metals it's mixed with are recycled. But this may change.

phys.org

Sounds promising. Long on ideal's, bit short on detail though. Also, still leaves lots of nasty stuff around. But hey, go for it...

There's also this, not ideal but maybe the poor old Third World can get some use out of them while we all wait for a permanent solution.

The big reuse: 25 MWh of ex-car batteries go on the grid in California

Batteries with performance too low for driving can still store a lot of charge.

arstechnica.com

 

[blackice]

Let’s not forget in some states in the US that have a lot of gas industry they are banning EV infrastructure as a threat to their economic existence. I always thought I wanted to live in the future…but the future sucks.