Serious Discussion BD User Experience

[SeriousHoax]

Your post on ESET forum explaining different methods for https scanning was a "state-of-art".

Yeeeeeee

 

[Divine_Barakah]

Yeeeeeee

and Eset reply was meh. "We tested one of the product and it failed to detect one malicious link, so no we are not going to implement their method" lol

 

[bazang]

A proper conversation is when someone who is using X product and finds x issue and report it, you take that as constructive feedback not anything else, but when you start giving excuses and blindly defending sth because you're using it then that is not a proper conversation.
Or I talk about 10 point and you neglect them all except for point 9 because it is convenient for you.

Well, with that definition of "proper conversation," there's been no proper conversation about anything since the word "Lo" was sent across the ARPANET on October 29th, 1969.

That is no jest or sarcasm. It is bone hard fact.

itman is no different than any other devotee to this or that. It might make him annoying, but it does not make him either right or wrong. He certainly is not interested in anyone's thoughts or opinions. Only his own.

 

[bazang]

We don't get the nuances on the net we may get in life on here or on the WWW, I'm somewhere on the Autism spectrum, not totally sure where though but I'm aware of it & adjusted to it as I'm in late 60's - We can't take onboard fully how a person is on here or forums so we adjust to that & some people just give out information & don't want to be friends, I feel? My 10 pence worth?

People live together for 50+ years and they still don't understand each other during face-to-face communications.

Just look at married couples.

Sometimes not communicating at all is best - for everyone involved.

In my estimation, one of the greatest skills of all is knowing exactly what a person means and intends 100% of the time regardless of the mode of communication. I don't know that it is humanly possible at the 100% level, but appears there is a very tiny percentage of people that are capable of getting it right more than 90% of the time. Weirdest part of that is they're almost always never rich. Think about that skill or ability and what they're not doing with it.

 

[bazang]

As far as Bitdefender, its current state compared to 10 years ago is as if it is now made by highly advanced aliens whereas back then it was mere humans pounding it out on the keyboard.

When uninformed people (without children) ask me "What is best AV?" I advise them F-SECURE or Bitdefender. F-SECURE produces significantly less complaints. It is easier to teach, but most people can handle Bitdefender with a little bit more instruction.

F-SECURE's banking protection and Bitdefender's SAFEPAY - even though simple - cause issues because it takes time for people to learn how to use them and, most importantly, what to expect - what they can, cannot, and should not do with each.

Both products must be supplemented with default deny for the system to be effectively protected. Right there - the whole effort gets sunk no matter what default deny is introduced. Even "user friendly" default deny is a non-starter and people cannot handle it.

Just teaching people to create and use a Standard User Account (SUA) is such a drag.
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Anyone that asks me about mobile security because they do everything on those devices, I just walk away. "Huh? Wut? I can't hear you! I feel sick. Gotta go."

I'm not going to allow myself to get sucked into that hell-hole vortex of trying to help a person protect them from themselves because they live their entire life on a mobile device and refuse to change.

What I should do is write a psychiatrist's and behavioral therapist's names down on a card with their office scheduling numbers and hand that to the people that ask me "What is best AV for mobile phone?". I just can't do that to the psychiatrist and therapist. That would be so mean to them.

It's just easiest to get away as fast as possible.

 

[Divine_Barakah]

As far as Bitdefender, its current state compared to 10 years ago is as if it is now made by highly advanced aliens whereas back then it was mere humans pounding it out on the keyboard.

When uninformed people (without children) ask me "What is best AV?" I advise them F-SECURE or Bitdefender. F-SECURE produces significantly less complaints. It is easier to teach, but most people can handle Bitdefender with a little bit more instruction.

F-SECURE's banking protection and Bitdefender's SAFEPAY - even though simple - cause issues because it takes time for people to learn how to use them and, most importantly, what to expect - what they can, cannot, and should not do with each.

Both products must be supplemented with default deny for the system to be effectively protected. Right there - the whole effort gets sunk no matter what default deny is introduced. Even "user friendly" default deny is a non-starter and people cannot handle it.

Just teaching people to create and use a Standard User Account (SUA) is such a drag.
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Anyone that asks me about mobile security because they do everything on those devices, I just walk away. "Huh? Wut? I can't hear you! I feel sick. Gotta go."

I'm not going to allow myself to get sucked into that hell-hole vortex of trying to help a person protect them from themselves because they live their entire life on a mobile device and refuse to change.

What I should do is write a psychiatrist's and behavioral therapist's names down on a card with their office scheduling numbers and hand that to the people that ask me "What is best AV for mobile phone?". I just can't do that to the psychiatrist and therapist. That would be so mean to them.

It's just easiest to get away as fast as possible.

BD behavioural protection is superior to F-Secure's.
Unfortunately F-Secure is now an Avira clone and there is no deepguard.

As for web protection, BD seems to have the edge.

 

[bazang]

BD behavioural protection is superior to F-Secure's.
Unfortunately F-Secure is now an Avira clone and there is no deepguard.

As for web protection, BD seems to have the edge.

Bitdefender definitely provides better overall protections than F-SECURE.

I match a person/people to the protection after they answer a few basic questions. I then know what they can handle. Most of the time that means F-SECURE is the best match.

Which one will provide the best security outcomes? Default Windows Home Malware Defender or tweaked (which means only a couple of settings) F-SECURE?

The answer to that question is indeterminate without a lot of assumptions - or a long-term study of outcomes from thousands of user systems in a right proper designed double blind study.

Which one do people understand or learn easier? In my experience F-SECURE.

What I do know is that no one yet has been able to handle tweaked Windows Security outside of IT Pros - and even then the IT Pros are "iffy." A lot of it depends upon the IT Pros' personalities and experiences.

It's not that people cannot do it (robust security). It's that they are not inclined to do it. No interest. Not willing. Not even when it is their professional mandate to do so. That's why anybody that does not need Microsoft software or does not game is much better served at the device level - e.g. Chromebook or iPhone.

 

[Divine_Barakah]

A very important update here

It seems I had a broken BD install that was caused by ISP provided DNS which apparently blocked sth for BD during installation.

The endless warnings of BD about certificates was caused by an incomplete installation of BD certificate.

So I followed the BD support advice and reinstalled BD on a clean system with NextDns enabled systemwide and the installation was flawless and I was able to sign in to BD Central without any issues.

I updated BD and this time it did not ask for a system restart and I ran a full scan then I restarted the system.

Now BD is sitting quietly without any notifications or warnings. I keep checking the notification centre in search of critical warnings and thankfully I still have not encountered one.

 

[Parkinsond]

caused by ISP provided DNS

I never use ISP dns; I do not like to be informed I visited PH yesterday while arguing with their customer service regarding lost internet connectivity

 

[Divine_Barakah]

I never use ISP dns; I do not like to be informed I visited PH yesterday while arguing with their customer service regarding lost internet connectivity

It was a clean system install and I still had not added NextDNS

 

[Parkinsond]

It was a clean system install and I still had not added NextDNS

I use NextDNS at the level of the browser only, leaving W update and MD udpates and uploads to ISP DNS (at the router level); however, I never had a problem with these two.