Help Me Decide Better Firewall: Symantec Endpoint Security vs Kaspersky Internet Security?

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  1. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

    Jan 26, 2017
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    List of products to compare:
    Symantec Endpoint Security
    Kaspersky Internet Security
    What I am most interested about:
    • Learning curve (Ease of Use)
    • Exclusive Features & Functionality
    Why I want to compare:
    Better Firewall
    Hello,

    I'm home user with PC and Laptop. I need a very good Protection because I usually go into very heavy environment and I deal to much with unknown software such as Cracks, Keygen..etc (we know that this software can be also very malicious ones like Ransomware, Virus or Trojan)

    I would like your experience with these 2 software mostly regarding Firewall Power.

    1- Symantec Endpoint Protection 14 Unmanaged Client Version
    2- Kaspersky Internet Security 2017 (2018 is coming very soon)


    I tested these to Software myself and in Malware detection and other protection such as Behavior Blocker seems to me that they are very close to each other (Both detected almost everything)

    What I'm not able to test is the Firewall Power. I did some tests online such as ShieldUp, DNS Spoofing, and the results where the same for both and I cannot judge.

    Who has used both of this software ?
    Can you explain which is better for protection if it is configured by skill hand and why??
    Can both of this software reverse back malware actions (I know KIS can but I don't know if SEP can also)


    As far as I know, ''Nico'' and ''Umbra'' are experienced users of Symantec Endpoint Protection. I'm a quick learner ;)
    I will really appreciate your opinion based on you knowledge and experience
     
  2. Lockdown

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    #2 Lockdown, Jan 28, 2017
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    There are very, very few published test results of firewall tests.

    Here is one from 2013, but it is for outbound attacks: Firewall Outbound Attacks Protection Test (July 2013) - Anti-Malware Test Lab

    AV Comparatives has a 2014 firewall test published on their site: https://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/avc_fw_201403_en.pdf

    Keep in mind that these tests are old enough that test results today might be different.

    There's probably a few other published lab tests out there somewhere on the web.

    * * * * *

    You are visiting malicious websites, downloading and using warez, cracks, keygens, etc - this behavior will eventually get you infected no matter what security soft you are using. You can't use software to compensate for high-risk behaviors. Eventually the type of software you want to use will fail or you will make a mistake.

    Change your behaviors. Only then will you have the protection that you desire.
     
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  3. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

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    Unfortunately I cannot stop the behavior but I can be more careful. I have to test software every day, find books online in forums and very often the links are infected with malware.
    So the situation is this and I really need one of the 2 Antiviruses which I mentioned because only them passed my personal tests. I have to chose one of then and with some knowledge and luck not to format the PC every Week :(
     
  4. Lockdown

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    To solve the issue you describe, look at Shadow Defender (paid) and Rollback RX\Drive Vaccine RX (both free and paid). You have to start by clean installing your OS, installing your desired softs, and then installing Shadow Defender or RX product. With RX products you create an initial clean snapshot and return to it after high-risk web activity.

    With each of these you can reboot your system and restore it to a clean state. You just have to save the files that you downloaded. However, if it is the downloaded files that you use that are infecting your system, then these suggestions won't help much.

    There are various strategies to be more careful. You will have to develop the one that works best for you.
     
  5. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

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    Yes the downloaded files are usually malicious and the web activity.
    This is why I need one of the two, SEP or KIS
     
  6. Lockdown

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    #6 Lockdown, Jan 28, 2017
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    You can use Shadow Defender and RX products to rollback your system to a clean state if your internet security suite does not detect the malware, when you notice that the file is a PUP or malware or behaving suspiciously.

    What you are doing is a very difficult problem to solve - especially when you get smacked with a FUD (fully undetected) malware that does not openly reveal malicious behaviors.

    All you can really do is to reduce the risks, but you cannot reach a 100 % confidence level.

    If you ask Kaspersky support, they will tell you that Shadow Defender and KIS are incompatible - but I didn't have any problems comboing the two. RX products - you cannot install many AV\internet security suites into a snapshot; you have to install the internet security suite on the system and then install the RX product afterwards.
     
  7. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

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    I will explain why I'm concerned about security.
    Ransomware Hackers mostly uses Email to spreed the viruses.

    Now they are also using another type of methodology. They register to various forums (most of them in Civil Engineering because we use a lot of software and they are expensive). They act like users for some time and then began to post mirrors links of good programs and other useful stuff (which here is the goal because you have to test the software yourself).
    They have many users in one forum and is very difficult to spot this M...F.

    Two days ago I run into a ransomware called ''Spora''. Symantec Endpoint Got the virus and deleted it.
    More and more in the future this Hackers will get smarter and will be more and more of them. My colleague got infected by one of this 10 days ago. The files got encrypted and he had to pay them to get the files back
    This is all
     
  8. toto

    toto Level 3

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    If you are an experienced user I would recommend Comodo Firewall with autosandbox enabled and a little more tweaks that you find suitable, and Eset Nod32 antivirus (best against pup/adware).
    I think this duo will be quite enough
    :/
     
  9. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

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    Thank you for the reply
    I'm very confident with the two products I mentioned ( SEP and KIS ) and I like them both. I personaly think they are the two best of the best.
    I really need a professional review of someone who has use both of them an to explain why or at least someone who has used SEP and is familiar with it.
    Kaspersky for my point of view is much more simple to use and is made for home users. SEP is made for network users and this is where the question rises.
    Is SEP Firewall superior to Kaspersky and why ?????
     
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  10. Lockdown

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    #10 Lockdown, Jan 28, 2017
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    You're not going to find any insight on SEP that will be meaningful in terms of the infos that you are looking for here at MT.

    I only know 4 MT members that have used it for more than a few days. Only 1 used it to protect his business - but he is no longer active on the forum.

    There are published test lap reports for SEP at all the major testing organizations - AV Bulletin, AVLab, AV Comparatives, Dennis Technologies, etc.

    However, I know of no firewall tests of SEP. You might find one or two for Norton.

    I understand full-well what you are doing, attempting to do to protect the system, but you cannot rely on an internet security suite alone. At some point either one will fail you.

    Worrying about the quality of the firewall is pointless since you know you will be executing malware on your system. When you get a firewall alert from malware - that you don't know is malware - are you going to allow it or block it ?
     
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  11. Well you're trying to compare a endpoint product, which is destined for professionals, with a home user product. So i think it's kind of hard comparing both as they are not in the same category.

    I think you should be comparing Norton Security with Kaspersky Internet Security. And from my experience, Kaspersky is less prone to false positives when it comes to keygens and cracks. So in your case, i would choose Kaspersky.
     
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  12. Lockdown

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    He's already decided on using one of the two, but is asking for any current user insight - especially SEP's firewall while the system is under attack.
     
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  13. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

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    I also think that Kaspersky is better than Norton.
    SEP and Norton, even if they come from the same vendor ''Symantec'', are very similar and also very different in some parts.
    When I compared Norton with SEP, I felt that SEP is much more ''Aggressive'' and has much more options and configurations than Norton.
    Its like a Gepard (Norton) and a Tiger (SEP).
    SEP Client Unmanaged can be used as home product if is well configured and it will offer a much more protection than the little Norton.
    My final doubt is Kaspersky or Symantec Endpoint ???

    I see that SEP has many options for the firewall configuration. My question is, is the SEP web protection (Firewall) much more better than Kaspersky or not ??

    5 Firewall Manual Config Expert.jpg
     
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  14. Lockdown

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    Kaspersky vs SEP comparison. Kaspersky PDF comparing how K vs SEP did in various AV test labs: http://www.nwtechusa.com/pdf/kaspersky_vs_symantec.pdf

    Really old. Also, not comparing KIS to SEP but instead KEP vs SEP.

    You're not going to get much, if any, SEP feedback here at MT. Very few people use it.
     
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  15. motox781

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    #15 motox781, Jan 28, 2017
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    I would personally use Kaspersky. Enable TAM (for hardened protection since you are downloading many files...if something gets blocked, inspect the file further with something like a sandbox or Virus Total Uploader) and tweak other settings to your liking. Nothing against SEP Unmanaged, but doesn't seem to work as good as if it was managed. I used SEP 14 for awhile on a consumer PC. Even though the settings were able to be tweaked more, NIS seemed to work better for my tastes.

    As far as comparing firewalls between the two. IDK. Good luck finding up-to-date info on that. I would presume both offer excellent firewalls.

    I liked both NIS and KTS. I chose KTS because of the shear volume to settings/tweaking that is available. I also liked the layout of the GUI better than NIS. But like I said, Symantec and Kapsersky both make wonderful products.
     
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  16. Lockdown

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    I found an online review of SEP. It only mentions the firewall in two sentences. It is the last link in above post.
     
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  17. AnnonMy

    AnnonMy New Member

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    SEP user here.. Haven't done and 'real world' tests and mine are just basic but SEP has been good and I can't fault it - interface is nice and easy and I personally like some of the features it has. Only thing I would say is, use 'stealth mode web browsing', only if you have to cause as it says it really does mess with websites..

    Currently getting Kaspersky endpoint at work so after a while I can give you more information on that if you'd like.
     
  18. Rezart

    Rezart Level 1

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    Thank You very much for the kind reply.
    Let me know what are you impressions about Kaspersky Endpoint Protection. I'm very interested alo in this product.
    Regards
     
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