Morro

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When they launched Opera 15, Opera team wanted people to use Speed dials as their new way to manage their favourite websites. Although, people didn't stop complaining about the lack of bookmarks, even when Speed Dial can do the same thing, even in a better way...
Opera team changed its mind to calm them down, but even when doing so, people keep up complaining about what is still lacking more than being satisfied with what is present :/
Well that was not a good decision on the side of the Opera team then. The things i mention in here are simple basic but important functions a browser should have.
 

tailHey

Level 6
Well that was not a good decision on the side of the Opera team then. The things i mention in here are simple basic but important functions a browser should have.
You don't seem to really understand what I was trying to make you figure out: Having both bookmarks and Speed dials would be related to redundancy (why having both the MT thumbnail AND its Speed Dial for instance), and since Speed Dials have been invented and used by Opera for a long time, they wouldn't remove it just to satisfy the need of having bookmarks as a top priority. You're currently proving you haven't seen what was already offered, thus confirming what I said about complaining people never satisfied of what they have :S

Another instance: Dozens of people have stopped using Opera just because they switched to blink/v8 engines; why have they done such a thing? Because people were complaining about Presto/Carakan's lack of compatibility with websites...

You'll see, when bookmarks manager will hit the Stable stream, they will find another excuse to be unsatisfied, instead of seeing what's good :/
 

Morro

Level 8
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You don't seem to really understand what I was trying to make you figure out: Having both bookmarks and Speed dials would be related to redundancy (why having both the MT thumbnail AND its Speed Dial for instance), and since Speed Dials have been invented and used by Opera for a long time, they wouldn't remove it just to satisfy the need of having bookmarks as a top priority. You're currently proving you haven't seen what was already offered, thus confirming what I said about complaining people never satisfied of what they have :S

Another instance: Dozens of people have stopped using Opera just because they switched to blink/v8 engines; why have they done such a thing? Because people were complaining about Presto/Carakan's lack of compatibility with websites...

You'll see, when bookmarks manager will hit the Stable stream, they will find another excuse to be unsatisfied, instead of seeing what's good :/
I never said that i hat something against speed dial, i do not understand why Opera has not added a option to import bookmarks from a Html file. I also do not understand why Opera does not allow people to set any other Search engine as their default search engine, that is forcing people and to be honest that does not sit well with me.

But we both have our opinions on the matter and i think it is best if we keep it at that. :)
 

tailHey

Level 6
I never said that i hat something against speed dial, i do not understand why Opera has not added a option to import bookmarks from a Html file. I also do not understand why Opera does not allow people to set any other Search engine as their default search engine, that is forcing people and to be honest that does not sit well with me.

But we both have our opinions on the matter and i think it is best if we keep it at that. :)
To answer you about default search engines, they say it is for security sake to not let users using another default search engines
 

Morro

Level 8
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To answer you about default search engines, they say it is for security sake to not let users using another default search engines
That is a wrong reason from them then in my opinion. Take https://startpage.com/ for instance, it is a very safe search engine...and i am sure there will be other search engines that are safe. I think ( And i could be wrong in this, it is just an assumption. ) that the Opera team have some kind of deal with the companies behind those search engines.

That on itself is pure and simple business, but no matter what it is wrong to force people with that. It is good that they want to help people to be secure on the internet. BUT in the end it is up to the people themselves to protect their computers, and they can ask other people to help do so...on their terms and wishes. Forcing people to have only one of those 5 search engines as default for so called security reasons is a weak excuse in my opinion.
 

tailHey

Level 6
That is a wrong reason from them then in my opinion. Take https://startpage.com/ for instance, it is a very safe search engine...and i am sure there will be other search engines that are safe. I think ( And i could be wrong in this, it is just an assumption. ) that the Opera team have some kind of deal with the companies behind those search engines.

That on itself is pure and simple business, but no matter what it is wrong to force people with that. It is good that they want to help people to be secure on the internet. BUT in the end it is up to the people themselves to protect their computers, and they can ask other people to help do so...on their terms and wishes. Forcing people to have only one of those 5 search engines as default for so called security reasons is a weak excuse in my opinion.
Try to think about it; a Internet browser can also be used by companies, for which security while Internet surfing is important. So, you, as a human being, think that startpage.com is Ok ^^ That's why you can add custom search engines, which can be used with ONLY ONE LITTLE LETTER BEFORE your request (separated by a space, and you're one to decide which letter it should be of course). Is it so hard to do so? :p
Let's come back to security matter; malware can easily hijack search engines in a Web browser. Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Internet Explorer... Everyone can be victim of it :/. Unfortunately for malware, it wouldn't be so easy to do so with Opera 15+ ;)
Instead of this, Opera team made the RIGHT choice: Five search engines will be chosen as default ones (you pick your favourite; besides, they aren't forbidden to add another ones in the near future), as for custom search engines:
  1. The user adds a search engine on purpose: JUST ONE LITTLE LETTER before your request. Not a whole sentence, not a whole paragraph, even less a book, we're dealing with ONE LETTER. I forget that sometimes, complaining people are sooooo lazy ;P
  2. Some malware tried to hijack default search engine. Either it'll fail, or it will create another custom search engine that the user wouldn't use; security mission complete :) But like I said earlier, if Opera was hijacked this way, complainers would come and tell us that their security measures are lame.
It's a shame you don't seem to understand that they are just doing what every browser company should do: Being innovative, safe at least a little and taking hard decisions for the sake of users. And these points aren't weak excuses, they are common sense ^^
 

Morro

Level 8
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Oh i completely understand that i can add other search engines, and that it is just ONE LETTER.

It's a shame you don't seem to understand that they are just doing what every browser company should do: Being innovative, safe at least a little and taking hard decisions for the sake of users. And these points aren't weak excuses, they are common sense ^^
The bold underlined part is my problem, a company does not decide for me which search engine i want as default...period! I decide that and no one else, no matter how easy it is to hit just ONE LETTER!

And these points aren't weak excuses, they are common sense ^^
No they are weak excuses, because as you mentioned yourself "Everyone can be a victim of it." All 5 search engines in Opera are well know to hackers. A determined Hacker will be able to mess with everything he/she wants to. And no browser ( Opera included. ) and no search engine will be able to resist that hacker forever. It is simply a deal with those companies behind the 5 search engines for Marketing purposes!

Browsers need security features i agree, but they should remain under full control ( As much as possible and sensible. ) of the people using that browser! Not the other way around. ( Not being able to is a potential security risk itself in my opinion. ) The security of a computer is the responsibility of the people using that computer, and if some one does not know how then they can enlist the help of friends and family members who do know how.
 

UrAvgLinuxUser

New Member
I put together a little test of browsers with HTML5Test, Peacekeeper, and iOS Stopwatch and Calculator Apps. It's with Firefox, Chrome, and Opera. IE had some problems so it's not included.

Browser Startup (5 points)
My laptop is super slow right now so startup will be very astonishing.

Opera: 23.02 seconds (+5 points)
Chrome: 35.25 seconds
Firefox: 1 minute and 15.80 seconds (Seriously :p)

Peacekeeper Scores (15 points)

I ran all the browsers at once, I nearly burned my CPU :D (LOL)
Opera: 807 (+15 points)
Chrome: 801
Firefox: 547

Load PCMag.com (15 points)

Opera: 7.77 sec(+15 points)
Chrome: 8.25 sec
Firefox: 13.41 sec

Average CPU Impact (10 points)

Opera: 1.28 % (+10 points)
Chrome: 3 %
Firefox: 4.75 %

Memory (3 tabs) (+10 points)

Opera: 221,186 KB (+10 points)
Firefox: 362,716 KB
Chrome: 399,476 KB

Load MalwareTips (+15 points)

Chrome: 10.99 sec (+15 points)
Opera: 11.85 sec
Firefox: 17.06 sec

HTML5 Score(10points)

Chrome: 509 (+10 points)
Opera: 498
Firefox: 471

Winner: Opera (45 points)
Runner-Up: Chrome (25 points)
Loser: Firefox (0 points)

Personally me, I love opera, but lately I have been using firefox because Opera will not sync my bookmarks and stuff like that since they are still working on it, once that is done, I am back to Opera!
 

Nico@FMA

Level 27
Oh i completely understand that i can add other search engines, and that it is just ONE LETTER.

The bold underlined part is my problem, a company does not decide for me which search engine i want as default...period! I decide that and no one else, no matter how easy it is to hit just ONE LETTER!

No they are weak excuses, because as you mentioned yourself "Everyone can be a victim of it." All 5 search engines in Opera are well know to hackers. A determined Hacker will be able to mess with everything he/she wants to. And no browser ( Opera included. ) and no search engine will be able to resist that hacker forever. It is simply a deal with those companies behind the 5 search engines for Marketing purposes!

Browsers need security features i agree, but they should remain under full control ( As much as possible and sensible. ) of the people using that browser! Not the other way around. ( Not being able to is a potential security risk itself in my opinion. ) The security of a computer is the responsibility of the people using that computer, and if some one does not know how then they can enlist the help of friends and family members who do know how.
You made me laugh m8, Its true that NO browser needs to decide which search engine to take, thats why they have options to change them, however Opera or any other browser for that matter is offering suggestions like Google, Bing and Yahoo and with technology going forward and things becoming even more easy there will come a day where your opinion as a end user is not going to matter anymore IF browser developers are going to choose the side of the "masses" which is being seen for years now with IE, Firefox and Chrome.
Even Opera did suffer from this, yet to a lesser extend as they still are IMO "the" browser to use.

In regards to search engine hacking and people being a victim of this has 3 sides of the story to it.
1: A Network (ANY) is just as strong as its weakest link and guess who is that weakest link? .... Exactly YOUR computer.
Or do you really think that your PC is more secure then the networks of Google, Yahoo or Bing?
That being said number 2 on the list would be websites and unsecured hosts that allow distribution and injection of codes.
Again thats a "crappy" user/admin/client fault and not a search engine one.
And another one of the top of my head is the well known so called "home" computer specialist that thinks to know it all and likes to tweak for the sake of tweaking without having the actual knowledge what just has been tweaked.
Just 3 examples
And search engine hacking is for 5% a problem due to the coding within the engine.
But its by 95%+ a problem created by users that due crappy settings allow a attack to be a success in the first place.

Well to be correct thats not entirely true but lets just take this as a rule of thumb for the sake of argument.

In regards to those security features you are talking about and having control over them is just a testimonial of your "lack" of understanding why those features are locked in the first place.
You have to remember that you might be a professional and a skilled Internet & computer user but do you really know all the protocols and security settings? And do you also know how they relate to the actual security level? Don't bother thinking about that...
The simple reply is NO.
80% of all the security options within your PC are locked and rightly so...
Because nearly 90% of the entire computer user base would not be able to even understand what those features are, and opening them up will cause the biggest security risk ever, Websites, Servers, Client PC and all other Internet devices would become worthless in terms of protection and would see a quad digit increase in hacking, malware, malfunction increase for every day they are on the net.
Think about it... and to use your own words: As much as possible and sensible. .....Now quess how those security options within your computer software and hardware are configured?.. Exactly

As much as possible and sensible.
 
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You don't seem to really understand what I was trying to make you figure out: Having both bookmarks and Speed dials would be related to redundancy (why having both the MT thumbnail AND its Speed Dial for instance), and since Speed Dials have been invented and used by Opera for a long time, they wouldn't remove it just to satisfy the need of having bookmarks as a top priority. You're currently proving you haven't seen what was already offered, thus confirming what I said about complaining people never satisfied of what they have :S

Another instance: Dozens of people have stopped using Opera just because they switched to blink/v8 engines; why have they done such a thing? Because people were complaining about Presto/Carakan's lack of compatibility with websites...

You'll see, when bookmarks manager will hit the Stable stream, they will find another excuse to be unsatisfied, instead of seeing what's good :/
You see, everybody's brains automatically think: Bugs in newer versions. Bugs in newer versions. It's probably because the brain has adopted to think that way because you always stumble and do something wrong when it's new.