Do I really need an antivirus ?
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- Jul 11, 2014
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The antivirus are useless, even without your protections.
If you are careful, you don't need Antivirus
If you are careful, you don't need Antivirus
- Jun 21, 2014
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You need, it gives you the illusion of protection
I recommend using Emsisoft or ESET. They have always worked well with me, and they are compatible with Common Sense 2015.
I usually use either one of the above on my PC (well I switched to ESET recently) and then I use my knowledge to fish out things before clicking on highly suspicious websites etc, and double check im safe after encountering something which I would call "strange". Like when Google told me my account had been accessed from U.S, and beforehand that email I was told it was in China, I was very confused and had to think about how that was possible. Had they guessed my password or was I just attacked by a phising scam and never realized/wasn't thinking? Or, even worse, a PSW Stealer hooking into my keyboard and sending my keys and the site address (you can inject browsers to get the website etc, if im right some AVs do that for shield protection )... I guess that is a question ill never have a answer for...
I usually use either one of the above on my PC (well I switched to ESET recently) and then I use my knowledge to fish out things before clicking on highly suspicious websites etc, and double check im safe after encountering something which I would call "strange". Like when Google told me my account had been accessed from U.S, and beforehand that email I was told it was in China, I was very confused and had to think about how that was possible. Had they guessed my password or was I just attacked by a phising scam and never realized/wasn't thinking? Or, even worse, a PSW Stealer hooking into my keyboard and sending my keys and the site address (you can inject browsers to get the website etc, if im right some AVs do that for shield protection
)... I guess that is a question ill never have a answer for...
- May 26, 2014
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Technically no, but I recommend MSE just so you don't have that annoying Microsoft no antivirus popup.
- Aug 25, 2014
- 580
I personally think antiviruses are necessary.
Common sense will work against most threats. But sometimes common sense cannot keep up with another human more knowledgeable in computer science than yourself. For example, if you're an "advanced" user with no programming/Windows experience, you'd be pretty doomed if you do not realize you're being DNS-spoofed. Antivirus starts where your common sense fails.
Common sense will work against most threats. But sometimes common sense cannot keep up with another human more knowledgeable in computer science than yourself. For example, if you're an "advanced" user with no programming/Windows experience, you'd be pretty doomed if you do not realize you're being DNS-spoofed. Antivirus starts where your common sense fails.
- Aug 14, 2014
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If you're an advanced user, the need for an antivirus is low.
If you're a newbie, the need for an antivirus is high.
If you're a newbie, the need for an antivirus is high.
- Aug 25, 2014
- 580
Nope, advanced users need antivirus at a 75 percent level. Trust me, I've been using them since I got my B.S degree in computer science.
- Mar 29, 2014
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- Feb 10, 2012
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Hmm i even talk better block than cure.
With system hardering (SRP/LUA off autorun and other risk services, tweeks)
and Firewall/HIPS Sandbox you can get more light system than stand alone av ofc is depend which soft you will use. and complet better security lvl ofc if you will use system and programs with head
With system hardering (SRP/LUA off autorun and other risk services, tweeks)
and Firewall/HIPS Sandbox you can get more light system than stand alone av ofc is depend which soft you will use. and complet better security lvl ofc if you will use system and programs with head
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- Jul 11, 2014
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I don't agree. The antivirus give you the illusion of protection and, nowadays, are surpassed by the malwares
- Aug 25, 2014
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Perhaps some are, but if a group of people are surpassed by malware, how can you, no matter how advanced, stand a chance?I don't agree. The antivirus give you the illusion of protection and, nowadays, are surpassed by the malwares
- Aug 29, 2014
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- Aug 25, 2014
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DNS is an acryonym for Domain Name Server. It converts https://www.google.com to machine-readable address.
DNS spoofing is, @Cowpipe correct me if I am wrong, when malware/hacker tries to "spoof" your DNS into thinking you're being redirected to google.com, while you're actually being redirected to EvilWebsite.com
- Aug 25, 2014
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- Jun 16, 2014
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Correct. A legitimate DNS server will have a table like this:
google.com 142.10.29.92 # Google IP address
Your computer looks up "google.com" and sees that the IP address for Google is 142.10.29.92 and connects you to that site.
In DNS Spoofing, we change the IP address linked to the entry "google.com" to a malicious one, and so whilst your browser thinks your connecting to the google.com official IP address you're actually connecting to the hackers IP.
That's pretty much the simplified version of it
Exactly as NPE saidNice set up. Mbam while "anit-Malware" is good enough for this config you have listed, you could probably get by just running On-demand scans with it as long as you continue to use Shadow Defender set to "Enter Shadow Mode on Boot". Having Sandboxie for other applications like your browser, and SD, should keep you pretty well safe..
- Aug 25, 2014
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But antivirus is much more than the old signature based system, which is a part of it.
It has HIPS/BB. It has Firewall. It has in-depth scans. It has everything you can possibly think of, give a try to Emsisoft Internet Security Suit and you'll understand.
- May 26, 2014
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I'm going to stand my side on the other post, just a more informative one:
There's a conundrum here that a lot of people have:
- Too much protection is bad
- Not enough protection is bad
-No products offer the exact balance
Another one:
-Without Protection, You Are Vulnerable to Exploits
-Protection Programs are Vulnerable to Exploits
If you are not understanding the second problem, it means that obviously without protection, you are vulnerable to exploits, so you install protection. However, even the protection software can be exploited, so there is a never ending loop to it. Only 2 ways can end this extremely hard problem:
-Developers will stop making Exploits
-Vendors create a non-exploitable product.
Both are near-impossible. So you are not much better with MBAE than you are without... hmm
(Note: I am not telling you to ditch your protection. Security Vendors try their best not to get exploited, so they are harder to exploit than your favorite browser. However, more and more developers are targeting security products because many if not everybody use them)
Okay, so if that's bad enough, there's yet another one:
-Without Privacy Protection, you are subject to privacy
infringement
-Privacy Protection doesn't value your privacy very much
As OpenSecLabs explained, you can't trust an antivirus that much. Many antivirus will send some data to the center, and although its not as bad as getting your passwords stolen, it's still an eerie feeling.
Conclusion: Obviously I am not telling you to not use protection, but more that you shouldn't trust protection as your soul. Remember vendors hire real people with emotions and problems, not perfection-robots that design a seamless product.
Oops, I just see I posted a loooong post, but hopefully this helps
There's a conundrum here that a lot of people have:
- Too much protection is bad
- Not enough protection is bad
-No products offer the exact balance
Another one:
-Without Protection, You Are Vulnerable to Exploits
-Protection Programs are Vulnerable to Exploits
If you are not understanding the second problem, it means that obviously without protection, you are vulnerable to exploits, so you install protection. However, even the protection software can be exploited, so there is a never ending loop to it. Only 2 ways can end this extremely hard problem:
-Developers will stop making Exploits
-Vendors create a non-exploitable product.
Both are near-impossible. So you are not much better with MBAE than you are without... hmm
(Note: I am not telling you to ditch your protection. Security Vendors try their best not to get exploited, so they are harder to exploit than your favorite browser. However, more and more developers are targeting security products because many if not everybody use them)
Okay, so if that's bad enough, there's yet another one:
-Without Privacy Protection, you are subject to privacy
infringement
-Privacy Protection doesn't value your privacy very much
As OpenSecLabs explained, you can't trust an antivirus that much. Many antivirus will send some data to the center, and although its not as bad as getting your passwords stolen, it's still an eerie feeling.
Conclusion: Obviously I am not telling you to not use protection, but more that you shouldn't trust protection as your soul. Remember vendors hire real people with emotions and problems, not perfection-robots that design a seamless product.
Oops, I just see I posted a loooong post, but hopefully this helps
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