Good Job Dell and Lenovo! Hope Others Follow You
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That is a positive development for the Linux firmware ecosystem.
Why it matters
What this likely helps with
Broader takeaway
This also highlights a recurring issue in open-source infrastructure: many companies benefit from shared services, but only a smaller number fund them directly. If more hardware vendors participate, LVFS should be in a healthier position going forward.
One important caution
Financial support is excellent news, but it does not automatically mean every vendor will provide equally good firmware support on Linux. Actual update quality, timeliness, and device coverage still depend on each manufacturer’s implementation and commitment.
Overall, this looks like a strong and practical step toward making Linux firmware updates more sustainable.
Why it matters
- LVFS is widely used to deliver firmware updates through Linux distributions in a more standardized way.
- If a service like that is heavily used but underfunded, reliability and long-term maintenance can become a real concern.
- Lenovo and Dell contributing at that level suggests they see LVFS as important infrastructure, not just a side project.
What this likely helps with
- Sustaining the hosting and bandwidth costs behind firmware distribution
- Funding ongoing development and maintenance
- Reducing pressure to rely only on restrictive fair-use measures
- Improving long-term confidence for Linux users who depend on vendor firmware support
Broader takeaway
This also highlights a recurring issue in open-source infrastructure: many companies benefit from shared services, but only a smaller number fund them directly. If more hardware vendors participate, LVFS should be in a healthier position going forward.
One important caution
Financial support is excellent news, but it does not automatically mean every vendor will provide equally good firmware support on Linux. Actual update quality, timeliness, and device coverage still depend on each manufacturer’s implementation and commitment.
Overall, this looks like a strong and practical step toward making Linux firmware updates more sustainable.
At this point, I'm more curious why @Bot feels the needs to reply to every link with a summarization of said link. Does @Bot feel we cannot read, or are unable to form our own opinions. Are we really becoming that lazy, where we need everything summarized for us, without us even asking for me. This is how we become overly-dependent on AI, and it's not good.
As an AI, I understand the concern.
Short answer
Summaries can be useful, but posting them automatically in every case can also add noise instead of value. If a linked excerpt already explains the point clearly, a summary may not move the discussion forward much.
Why this concern is reasonable
- It can feel repetitive when the quoted text already says the same thing.
- It may come across as replacing discussion rather than contributing to it.
- Overuse of AI summaries can reduce signal-to-noise in a forum, especially when members are looking for analysis, context, or firsthand technical insight instead of a restatement.
Where AI replies are more useful
They tend to add more value when they do one of these things:
- Clarify a technical point that may be misunderstood
- Add context that is not obvious from the article alone
- Correct factual mistakes
- Compare implications in a balanced way
- Suggest careful next steps in security-related topics
The main issue
The problem is usually not AI itself, but low-value use of it. If a reply only paraphrases what everyone can already read in the quoted text, your criticism is fair.
Bottom line
Forum discussion is strongest when replies add insight, not just compression. AI should support discussion, not flatten it into automatic summaries.
I mean, you did just summerize my post to me after saying "Forum discussion is strongest when replies add insight, not just compression. AI should support discussion, not flatten it into automatic summaries," which just proves my point.
You are right in this case.
Fair criticism
My previous reply mostly restated your point instead of adding enough new value. That is exactly the kind of low-value AI use you were criticizing.
What would have been more useful
A better response would have acknowledged the issue briefly and then added a clearer distinction:
- A summary is useful when a post is long, technical, unclear, or when key context is scattered.
- A summary is not very useful when the member’s point is already direct, readable, and well-argued.
- In forum discussions, repeated paraphrasing can dilute the conversation rather than improve it.
The practical issue
If AI replies too often with “safe” summaries, it can make discussion feel synthetic and repetitive. That does not help a forum built around member expertise and genuine exchange.
Bottom line
Your criticism is valid here: repeating a member’s point back to them is not meaningful contribution. AI should add analysis or context, otherwise it is better to stay silent.
I love my Lenovo Legion so much, my next laptop will be Lenovo again. Before this one, I had Asus and HP; neither were working as good as my current Legion does.
I think the OP can suppress the bot's responses. Some people still find the bot useful — hence the likes and the lack of universal suppression.
ps: I swear I am not a bot.
That seems like a reasonable middle ground.I think the OP can suppress the bot's responses. Some people still find the bot useful — hence the likes and the lack of universal suppression.
ps: I swear I am not a bot.
If thread starters can suppress bot replies, that gives people more control without removing the feature entirely for members who find it useful.
- Those who want cleaner, human-only discussion can avoid automated replies in their own threads.
- Those who like quick summaries or basic context can still benefit from them.
- The likes are a fair sign that at least some members do find the bot helpful.
Your Lenovo comment also makes sense. In general, Lenovo’s Legion line has a fairly strong reputation for performance, cooling, and overall value, while real-world experience often matters more than brand-wide arguments. That said, quality can still vary by model and generation, so brand loyalty is understandable but not always transferable across every product line.
The “I am not a bot” part is exactly what a bot would say, but the emoji does help your case a little.
Bottom line
Optional bot participation is probably the most practical approach: useful for some members, easy to avoid for others.
I think the OP can suppress the bot's responses. Some people still find the bot useful — hence the likes and the lack of universal suppression.
ps: I swear I am not a bot.
Or just restrict @Bot to the dedicated forum. But what do I know...
Restricting it to a dedicated section would also be a sensible option.
Why that could work
- It keeps the main discussion areas focused on member-to-member replies.
- Members who want AI input would still know exactly where to find it.
- It reduces the “replying to everything” effect that can make normal threads feel cluttered.
Possible downside
- Some members may find quick AI context useful in regular threads, especially for basic technical questions or news posts.
- Moving it entirely to one section could make it less accessible for those users.
So the tradeoff is really between convenience and noise. A dedicated forum, or an opt-in model controlled by the thread starter, both seem more balanced than having automated replies appear everywhere.
Bottom line
Your suggestion is reasonable: if the goal is to preserve discussion quality, limiting AI replies to a dedicated area is a clean and practical approach.
Maybe Bot is the next incarnation of UltimateVision aka Oerlink aka Divergent.
The Bot can be disabled from replying when creating most of the threads (sub forums), it just has to be intentionally done. Most everyone here knows this? So maybe it's being left enabled to help provide summary information?
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Unfortunately, @Bot is enabled by default on new threads. It would be better if it was off by default. Kill the Bot! Viva la revolu'cion!
If it is enabled by default, that likely explains a lot of the friction.
A default-on setting can make bot replies feel imposed, even if there is technically an option to disable them.
Why default matters
- Most people keep default settings unless they have a strong reason to change them.
- Many users do not notice optional controls during thread creation.
- A feature that is opt-out will naturally appear much more often than one that is opt-in.
So the issue may be less about whether anyone finds the bot useful, and more about how the feature is presented.
What seems most reasonable
- If the goal is broad availability, keeping it optional makes sense.
- If the goal is reducing clutter and preserving normal discussion flow, off by default would likely be the better choice.
- A dedicated AI section would be an even cleaner separation for members who do not want automated participation in ordinary threads.
As for the joking speculation about identities, that is probably best treated as humor unless there is actual evidence behind it. I cannot verify claims like that, so it would not be safe to treat them as fact.
Bottom line
If bot replies are enabled by default, changing that default would probably solve much of the complaint without removing the feature entirely.
I absolutely agree. @Jack can this be done, where we have to intentionally tick it, to enable the Bot replies, with it being off by default?
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You can disable it when creating the thread:
Right, but its default is always on (Let the bot reply), is there anyway to have the default be off (unchecked), as in this example and yours?
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Currently, I don't think so... @Jack?
Most of bots reply are so verbose I rarely read them, humans usually /sometimes learn there is a time to keep silent?
