Human error or navigation hacking? Outside experts disagree on cause of repeated U.S. Navy collision

[frogboy]

On Monday, the U.S. Navy announced that divers had recovered the remains of all 10 sailors killed when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in the Strait of Malacca, near Singapore, last week. The crash was the second such deadly incident this summer for the U.S. Seventh Fleet, based in Japan, and the fourth accident since January. Right after last week's collision, the Navy relieved Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin of command of the Seventh Fleet, a rare punishment for a three-star admiral. But the Navy is still unsure why two high-tech Navy destroyers got blindsided by giant, slow-moving cargo ships, or whether the incidents are connected. There are several preliminary theories.

Full Article. Human error or navigation hacking? Outside experts disagree on cause of repeated U.S. Navy collisions.

 

[Winter Soldier]

Someone sees hackers everywhere...and it seems to be the human error impossible, but sometimes the truth is more simple than you can imagine.

 

[Fritz]

Human error or hack, the situation leaves me puzzled either way. Just because my Garmin sends me straight into the Mississippi doesn't mean I follow its advice. Granted, some folks do, but I doubt the U.S. Navy is in the business of employing morons. Also, we're not talking about some car with a sleepy driver, there's usually a ton of people on their toes so everything runs smoothly. Of course, they yanked the guy who wasn't even there, as usual. Great job.

I'd actually be laughing if it wasn't for the tragic loss of life. My thoughts are with the sailor's families.

 

[NikolayfromRussia]

I'd actually be laughing if it wasn't for the tragic loss of life. My thoughts are with the sailor's families.

Yes, it is a tragic loss of life. No matter if it was a human error/hacking. These sailors are dead

 

[ispx]

just wanna offer my heartfelt condolence to the families the sailors left behind.

maa salaama.

 

[ForgottenSeer 58943]

On Monday, the U.S. Navy announced that divers had recovered the remains of all 10 sailors killed when the USS John S. McCain collided with an oil tanker in the Strait of Malacca, near Singapore, last week. The crash was the second such deadly incident this summer for the U.S. Seventh Fleet, based in Japan, and the fourth accident since January. Right after last week's collision, the Navy relieved Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin of command of the Seventh Fleet, a rare punishment for a three-star admiral. But the Navy is still unsure why two high-tech Navy destroyers got blindsided by giant, slow-moving cargo ships, or whether the incidents are connected. There are several preliminary theories.

Full Article. Human error or navigation hacking? Outside experts disagree on cause of repeated U.S. Navy collisions.

Hacking or GPS spoofing combined with over reliance on instrument navigation would be my guess. China already warned us of our actions and this could be the result. If the Iranians can hijack the OS of one of our stealth drones and land it at their airfield, what can China do? I would bet our guys have their faces buried in instruments and computer panels and aren't looking out of the window of the command room like the old days.

Destroyers are fast and agile, they shouldn't be hit by huge comparatively slow moving tankers/cargo ships..IMO

 

[mlnevese]

I usually apply the Hanlon's Razor to such situations...

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

Regarding the armed forces not employing morons.. .you'd be surprised.

My condolence to the families of the victims of this accident.

 

[Fritz]

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

A perfect rule for life in general.

Regarding the armed forces not employing morons.. .you'd be surprised.

Oh, no worries, I served for 10 years as well. It's just that I'd expect bridge posts to be manned with adequate personnel, not with Pvt. Numbnut who can't tie his own boots. You wouldn't place that type of guy in a tower as air traffic controller either.

 

[mlnevese]

A perfect rule for life in general.

It's one of the rules of my life.. I don't even ignore my own stupidity

Oh, no worries, I served for 10 years as well. It's just that I'd expect bridge posts to be manned with adequate personnel, not with Pvt. Numbnut who can't tie his own boots. You wouldn't place that type of guy in a tower as air traffic controller either.

Do you know that slow shifts in which nothing can go wrong and we can let the boys rest and "Joe" can stay there doing nothing...

 

[Fritz]

Do you know that slow shifts in which nothing can go wrong and we can let the boys rest and "Joe" can stay there doing nothing...

An MO commonly found on destroyers I reckon.

Maybe somebody should have thold them that whatever can go wrong, will go wrong…

 

[mlnevese]

An MO commonly found on destroyers I reckon.

Maybe somebody should have thold them that whatever can go wrong, will go wrong…

If I remember correctly Murphy's law started in the Air Force

 

[Fritz]

If I remember correctly Murphy's law started in the Air Force

Probably because that's where I served.