Microsoft In fact, Microsoft Surface products are “significantly less reliable than most other brands”.

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  1. LASER_oneXM

    LASER_oneXM Level 17
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  2. Entreri

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    I found this surprising in the outset (given the quality of the hardware), but after reading about it, makes sense.

    M$ has made custom firmware and drivers which took too much time to update (issues with power management, Skylake). Bluescreens, driver crashes leading to higher return rates. I certainly would not buy M$ products unless forced to, given their attitude towards Win10 spying.
     
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  3. Deletedmessiah

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    Don't like spying myself but what choice do you have? All the alternatives spy too. Either use it or not. No choice nowadays.
     
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  4. Fritz

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    I beg to differ. There are app. 100.000 different Unix-like OS flavors out there that cater to any possible whim and run mighty well on almost any hardware these days. In this day and age you can be a complete numbnut and install and use Linux just fine. Of course, there's also macOS. And lots of ways to get Windows 10 to stop yapping. My girlfriend is harder to shut up. :D
     
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  5. Game Of Thrones

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    I had a surface pro 4 for ordinary kinds of stuff, one of the worst laptops/tablets I've ever had, full of bad quality control flaws and one of the worst fan controls and quality. nearly every surface I've seen had a screen bleeding issue, weird fan noises, and behavior. in contrast, i had a MacBook retina MGXA2 the best laptop I ever used, I believe apple ios devices really are not that good and androids are somehow better, but man, macs are way ahead of others in terms of quality and especially attention to details you never see in other PC products. one of the most sophisticated fan controls and heat management in laptops, really good OS in terms of stability and high DPI management and performance, best touchpad with really low latency and really good quality, really good sustained performance.
    I'm currently using an Asus ROG GL702VM since I play games a little :) it's a really good laptop and I'm more satisfied with this than surface pro 4! but I'm considering to go back to mac, I missed the quality it had.
     
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  7. Deletedmessiah

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    But will those OS fulfill users needs with all the lack of apps and games? Not everyone can afford Macs to use MacOS. Unless they make cheap Macs. Linux and Unix are not viable alternative for average users at the moment. Yes, it maybe easy to install nowadays for average users but they won't bother. Its really hard to make them change OS. They will stay with something they're familiar with even if the alternative is easy. Some big company have to make huge push to do so. Like Google or Apple level big. But Google and Apple spy as well.
    Who knows how much driver and compatibility issues you face while using Linux. Yes, you hear linux running better even on older hardware compared to Windows but number of home Linux users are way low compared to Windows so obviously you won't hear about issues its having as much as Windows.
     
  8. Deletedmessiah

    Deletedmessiah Level 15

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    I wish I could afford Macs :(
     
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  9. Fritz

    Fritz Level 11

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    I have no idea, but Games weren't mentioned and lack of apps in general? No way.

    So the choice is there, one might just have to save up for a bit. And then there's always the possibility to install macOS on alternative hardware, which is perfectly legal in Germany, but that will vary from country to country.

    So again, they choose actively to stay with their platform of their own free will and accord.

    Give it a shot, you'd probably be surprised how painless it really is.

    TL;DR: As you can see, the alternatives are out there—not to use them is a choice in and of itself.
     
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  10. Deletedmessiah

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    I would if I had 2 computers.
     
  11. Game Of Thrones

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    mate, I hope you get one. most of the time since Macs are more expensive you have to sacrifice screen size to get one. like getting a 13-inch MacBook pro even in the lowest config, it is good. I don't recommend the air series. I believe if you get an ios device you pay for a brand if you get a mac you pay for engineering.
     
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  12. Fritz

    Fritz Level 11

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    Use a live-image or dual-boot and you'll have 2. :)
     
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  13. Deletedmessiah

    Deletedmessiah Level 15

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    I don't want to do dual boot. Via bootable media, maybe.
    Also lets stop this before mods get angry for off topic :p
     
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