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<blockquote data-quote="Lenny_Fox" data-source="post: 859195" data-attributes="member: 82776"><p>Now let me repeat that 'I know that you know you are right' and I am the only one who is imagining this fairy tale in my mind. This response is for other forum members interested in this (true or fairy tale) controversy.</p><p></p><p>Ever wondered how Google can tell website owners<a href="https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/2992042?hl=en" target="_blank"> metrics about "unique visitors</a>"? Google mentions that besides the Google Analytics cookies it can also provide more accurate website visitor tracking with <a href="https://marketlytics.com/analytics-faq/difference-between-client-id-and-user-id/" target="_blank">User ID and Client ID</a>. User ID is when you log-in to Google, Client ID represents a device browser. Look for third-party requests to ID.GOOGLE.COM (and to ID.GOOGLE.PL when you are living in Poland), pay specific attention to the generated <a href="https://www.digitalmarketer.com/blog/what-is-tracking-pixel/" target="_blank">tracking pixel</a>: google.com/verify/random-generated-name.gif.</p><p></p><p>Google earns billions with targeted advertising through user tracking (over devices). Being an innovative tech company it would be tempting to use all their technological means (operating systems, browser, search engine and cloud services) for big data collection. For most privacy aware people this this feels like asking the 'cat to guard the cream' or 'a fox to watch the hen house'.</p><p></p><p>Not surprisingly when Chrome browser first launched, rumors were spread that the browser itself had an unique-ID to track users. The response of Google was that it was nonsense, the ID-was only used to track the (successful) rollout of the new browser. In 2018 Brave developers accused Google (again) of secretly tracking users with their browser. The response of Google was that it was nonsense and it was only used to <a href="https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/04/google_gdpr_brave/" target="_blank">measure-end-to-end-latency</a>. This 2018 controversy even got publicity in mass media (BBC's easy to read article on <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49593830" target="_blank">Google's-secret-tracking-pages-explained</a>).</p><p></p><p>I thought I put this issue forward in a non-judging manner, apparently something got lost in translation from Dutch to English. Apologize for that. I am not a privacy fear-monger. I accept that big data collection is a fact of life. Just wanted to mention that in the light of this controversy, it might help to use a non-Google browser (and search engine).</p><p></p><p>I don't have the illusion that Microsoft is better than Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon or Netflix in terms of privacy and data collection. I have the (maybe naive) thought that distributing my digital footprint over different companies, helps to blur the picture (of my consumer profile) a little. Therefore I am using Edge-chromium for daily browsing (mostly visiting bookmarked websites) and using Opera for surfing (blocking third-party by default).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lenny_Fox, post: 859195, member: 82776"] Now let me repeat that 'I know that you know you are right' and I am the only one who is imagining this fairy tale in my mind. This response is for other forum members interested in this (true or fairy tale) controversy. Ever wondered how Google can tell website owners[URL='https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/2992042?hl=en'] metrics about "unique visitors[/URL]"? Google mentions that besides the Google Analytics cookies it can also provide more accurate website visitor tracking with [URL='https://marketlytics.com/analytics-faq/difference-between-client-id-and-user-id/']User ID and Client ID[/URL]. User ID is when you log-in to Google, Client ID represents a device browser. Look for third-party requests to ID.GOOGLE.COM (and to ID.GOOGLE.PL when you are living in Poland), pay specific attention to the generated [URL='https://www.digitalmarketer.com/blog/what-is-tracking-pixel/']tracking pixel[/URL]: google.com/verify/random-generated-name.gif. Google earns billions with targeted advertising through user tracking (over devices). Being an innovative tech company it would be tempting to use all their technological means (operating systems, browser, search engine and cloud services) for big data collection. For most privacy aware people this this feels like asking the 'cat to guard the cream' or 'a fox to watch the hen house'. Not surprisingly when Chrome browser first launched, rumors were spread that the browser itself had an unique-ID to track users. The response of Google was that it was nonsense, the ID-was only used to track the (successful) rollout of the new browser. In 2018 Brave developers accused Google (again) of secretly tracking users with their browser. The response of Google was that it was nonsense and it was only used to [URL='https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/04/google_gdpr_brave/']measure-end-to-end-latency[/URL]. This 2018 controversy even got publicity in mass media (BBC's easy to read article on [URL='https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49593830']Google's-secret-tracking-pages-explained[/URL]). I thought I put this issue forward in a non-judging manner, apparently something got lost in translation from Dutch to English. Apologize for that. I am not a privacy fear-monger. I accept that big data collection is a fact of life. Just wanted to mention that in the light of this controversy, it might help to use a non-Google browser (and search engine). I don't have the illusion that Microsoft is better than Google, Facebook, Apple, Amazon or Netflix in terms of privacy and data collection. I have the (maybe naive) thought that distributing my digital footprint over different companies, helps to blur the picture (of my consumer profile) a little. Therefore I am using Edge-chromium for daily browsing (mostly visiting bookmarked websites) and using Opera for surfing (blocking third-party by default). [/QUOTE]
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