Advice Request Most trustworthy antivirus & antimalware software on the market?

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They all collect your data and sell it. Just like the manufactures of your motherboard and other hardware, windows itself, your browser, google, facebook, iphone, android...
It doesn't matter, focus on performance.
With all respect I completely disagree with you.

Yes, many of companies are selling their customers data. But we have selling and SELLING!

Meta (facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram ...), Microsoft and Google and majority of the VPN providers are selling non-anonymized data of their customers. Meaning, name, address, Wifi location, visited websites, installed software and exact time points which all has happened.

While there are others who are saying that they are selling your data but they anonymize them. Best example is Mullvad! In their privacy policy they clearly say they are selling your anonymized data. The do not collect you name, address or even email.

There is a huge difference between these two. And the sentence "I have nothing to hide" is something which (IMO) the MOST STUPID sentence that I have ever heard.

You do not need to be a terrorist to hide something. We as humans all have secrets at different levels. We should accept the fact that some people take their own lives because of their secrets being revealed. So privacy IS important.

Of course 100% privacy is far behind and we will never get it back but we still can create a balance by changing our lifestyle, the software and the hardware that we choose and with a correct thinking.

My answer to your question is THERE IS NO 100% private software, however, you can find the best based on your own settings such as the location that you live in and many other parameters.

For example a person who is living in the EU, might prefer not to share his data with an Australian or an American company (it is an example). Then I would say he/she should focus on an European product.

I would also look at the history of the brands. Some products have a history of not respecting privacy of their customers. I personally would not trust these products anymore. If they can do it once, they can do it 1000 more times.

And also with VPNs I would be double cautious. I have had many meetings with different VPN providers and I remember one of them which is extremely famous and is selling itself as the most private and secure VPN provider (sorry I can not name any brand here), told us that the data analysis section of their company consists of 2/3 of their company!

Sorry if I talked a lot :D
 

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Microsoft Defender, Windows Defender, Windows Security, I use them interchangeably. I have a suggestion for you though, next time look up what advertising means before using it.
Why should I need to look up for whatever. I was polite enough to write advertising instead of spam...
I saw your posts for several times here in a lot of forum threads, always the same blah, blah, blah like Windows Security is all what we need to protect users. Of course, that is a valid opinion but there is no need to repeat same again and again to every similar topic when people talking about AVs on Windows ;)
 

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Why should I need to look up for whatever. I was polite enough to write advertising instead of spam...
I saw your posts for several times here in a lot of forum threads, always the same blah, blah, blah like Windows Security is all what we need to protect users. Of course, that is a valid opinion but there is no need to repeat same again and again to every similar topic when people talking about AVs on Windows ;)

The only spam are your comments. you're the rude one and going off-topic here.

if you have a problem with my suggestions you can take it up to moderators and use the report button, but crying here, getting triggered and personally attacking others isn't in the forums rules.
 
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Meta (facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram ...), Microsoft and Google and majority of the VPN providers are selling non-anonymized data of their customers. Meaning, name, address, Wifi location, visited websites, installed software and exact time points which all has happened.
The fundamental issue here is not one of privacy but of exploitation of users. The company collecting and selling the data profits while the users who generate the data get nothing.

And the sentence "I have nothing to hide" is something which (IMO) the MOST STUPID sentence that I have ever heard.
Millions upon millions live their lives openly on the publicly visible internet. They have no privacy and experience no troubles from it.

Except for people that routinely use public wifi or live in countries where there is oppression for dissent, most people do not need a VPN. Most of the people I know who use VPN do it so they can bypass blocks to Netflix and online porn.

The VPN industry has been called-out for misleading potential buyers that they are "more secure" and "have greater privacy."
 
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The only spam are your comments. you're the rude one and going off-topic here.

if you have a problem with my suggestions you can take it up to moderators and use the report button, but crying here, getting triggered and personally attacking others isn't in the forums rules.
The first off-topic was your personal github-link what has nothing to do with 3rd party AVs but that is also the topic of this thread.
I'm a long time member here in the forum and fully aware about the forum rules, so this argument you can tell to someone else...
I never crying rather just disagree about something. My rude part was as response after your reply to me that is a huge difference ;)
Finally, I agree and will use the report button next time. For me this debate is over. Have a nice day!
 
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Over the past several months, F-Secure has become my top choice for trustworthiness, protection, stability, & system performance.
F-Secure is excellent for the uninitiated unmanaged (home) user. After recommending it to home users, they install it and I rarely get call-backs from anyone asking "What does this alert mean?" or "What do I do, because I do not understand?" or "Why is this thing doing this?"
 

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The fundamental issue here is not one of privacy but of exploitation of users. The company collecting and selling the data profits while the users who generate the data get nothing.


Millions upon millions live their lives openly on the publicly visible internet. They have no privacy and experience no troubles from it.

Except for people that routinely use public wifi or live in countries where there is oppression for dissent, most people do not need a VPN. Most of the people I know who use VPN do it so they can bypass blocks to Netflix and online porn.

The VPN industry has been called-out for misleading potential buyers that they are "more secure" and "have greater privacy."
I agree with you however, when it comes to privacy many people forget the DNS services. ISPs definately sells their customers data. Depending on the country anonymized or not.

But I do not agree that people are exposing their data and they have no problem with it... they are exposing their data because the lack of knowledge. If the knew that by exposing their data and by using stupid free products, they are actually feeding the monsters which are shaping everyone's future the way that they want, they would have never done it.

Lack of up to date knowledge is the main problem here, and as you said many VPN providers are misusing this situation for their own profit.

In my opinion using a VPN (if trusted) and also a good DNS service is really positive as selling the data is happening at the ISP-level.
 
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Lack of up to date knowledge is the main problem here
From my direct observations of users daily, it shows that users know less about digital security today than in the past.

The claim that users are becoming more security -savvy is completely false. They are more digital device-use savvy because they use their phones for just about everything in their lives, but they are not more security knowledgeable. Technology and technological "sprawl" are occurring at an extraordinary pace. Not only does the average user not prioritize security abover everything else, they also cannot keep pace with all the required knowledge to be safe. There is a monumentally huge gap in the everyday user's knowledge of digital security matters. Them saying "I know I need to install AV" as proof that they are knowledgeable is a joke.
 
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From my direct observations of users daily, it shows that users know less about digital security today than in the past.

The claim that users are becoming more security -savvy is completely false. They are more digital device-use savvy because they use their phones for just about everything in their lives, but they are not more security knowledgeable. Technology and technological "sprawl" are occurring at an extraordinary pace. Not only does the average user not prioritize security abover everything else, they also cannot keep pace with all the required knowledge to be safe. There is a monumentally huge gap in the everyday user's knowledge of digital security matters. Them saying "I know I need to install AV" as proof that they are knowledgeable is a joke.
I completely agree with you... and the situation with the personal privacy is even worse :D
 

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Based on the comments on the forum, I see many appraisals for Emsisoft, Kaspersky, VoodooShield, and Malwarebytes for reasons other than their real-time protection software. Kaspersky does have its own criticism as it's a Russian cybersecurity company.

Safe to assume Microsoft Defender is trusted as millions already use Windows OS.

Avoid anything under the Gen Digital umbrella, that includes Avast, AVG, Avira, Bullguard (retired), Norton.
Avoid abandonware, namely containment software.
 

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Avoid anything under the Gen Digital umbrella, that includes Avast, AVG, Avira, Bullguard (retired), Norton.
Can't stress this enough. There's been too many "Fool me once" situations with Avast, AVG and Norton, and now that Norton OWNS them? Yeah, ##### that noise. That entire conglomerate will never touch one of my PCs again. I'd sooner use Kaspersky, and I will NEVER use Kaspersky.
 

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I'm happy with F-Secure, ESET & Emsisoft, I feel all those give some privacy & will happily use them & have recently - I also trust OS Armor & OVPN along with either - As mentioned Defender though I don't use it as a primary AV I would have no issues to-do so.
 

cofer123

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I would say Eset has remained consistent on their goals and what they offer. They are one of the few vendors with the opt-in approach when it comes to cloud features and marketing notifications. They also don't pack unnecessary features and "gimmicks" on their products. Access to every possible setting is also a big plus.

Eset Internet Security is my choice because it has everything I need. I wish it had LiveGuard in it, though, as Eset Smart Security Premium is way overpriced and it has a lot of stuff I don't need/want.
 

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