- Jul 6, 2017
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Windows is a Gruyere cheese has many holes. But it is the most used System in the world.
and it's the funniest!
and it's the funniest!
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- Thread starter Evjl's Rain
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- Mar 13, 2016
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"Windows is not that bad"
LOL
Probably more than half of IT Pros disagree with you. The remainder are catatonic from the horror Windows has put them through.
Average Joe is not stupid, he\she is just uninformed and uneducated on the convoluted mess that is Windows. Not his\her fault. It's Microsoft's fault if you ask me.
Check out support requests and you will get an idea of where Average Joe is at - he\she is figuratively somewhere between Pluto and the Oort Cloud in terms of being able to decipher and cope with Windows and its security.
Security and malware are not even a priority for Average Joe.
Why is Windows on about 10 billion PC's when it is that bad as you say? Facts just seem to counter dict your opinion
Who advised to buy Windows in the first place? HR, Marketing, Department of Silly Walks or IT-pro's not agreeing with you?
Why is Windows on about 10 billion PC's when it is that bad as you say? Facts just seem to counter dict your opinion
As if there are so many appealing alternatives...
There are no real viable alternatives to Windows so the 10 billion installs is not a validation of Windows' greatness. Windows is too far ingrained in the business community that even if large organizations wanted to dump Windows, they wouldn't do it because of cost nor practicality.
Do you not read up on the general attitude towards Microsoft and Windows ? Basically, we're just stuck with it and have to deal with whatever it throws at us.
There is a lot of unhappiness and dissatisfaction with Microsoft and Windows. It's out there if you bother to look for it. Very prevalent. Extremely easy to locate.
The seemingly limitless online support forums and resources for Windows should alone be proof enough. Microsoft does not properly document and support its OS therefore users must rely upon 3rd party resources - such as MalwareTips and Wilders.
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- Mar 13, 2016
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Now we agree capitalism is not ideal but the alternatives totalitarianism, communism and national socialism are worst, so it is not that bad
Microsoft is monopolistic capitalism at its finest. The only thing in this world that has more power than Microsoft are the world's central banks.
Microsoft does everything unilaterally - so they behave completely totalitarian.
You have to remember, I know how they treat developers. In my experience, the treatment isn't pretty. When they want you to do something for them, they treat you great. When you bring a problem to them, expect to be treated generally negatively. That's my observation.
Microsoft and Windows are nobody's friend. They are simply cash conduits for the shareholders - which is their one and only purposes. So I suppose the wise thing to do is to buy Microsoft stock.
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- Dec 23, 2014
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@Lockdown and @Windows_Security, sometimes the opposite statements can be true, and your discussion here is a good example.
We can agree that Windows may look like the hybrid of many unfinished ideas and unnecessary solutions. But the same can be told about a human body, National Health Care, and Big Bang theory. Windows will always be a symbol of the successful informatization, and no one can prove that another, better-designed OS, would be more successful with less dangerous side effects for the users. Windows is surely not so good from the security point of view, but our cars and traffic regulations are not either. In some way, all above are reflections of human nature, culture, and economy.
So let's go back to NVT OSArmor. My first impression have been that it was created as a companion security for everybody. One click installation and silent protection. But after some time, it is evident to me, that too much legal software will be blocked, so such protection will be directed rather to MalwareTips/Wilderssecurity members. It will be interesting to see the final OSA version, and I hope that it will be as good as Exe Radar Pro.
We can agree that Windows may look like the hybrid of many unfinished ideas and unnecessary solutions. But the same can be told about a human body, National Health Care, and Big Bang theory. Windows will always be a symbol of the successful informatization, and no one can prove that another, better-designed OS, would be more successful with less dangerous side effects for the users. Windows is surely not so good from the security point of view, but our cars and traffic regulations are not either. In some way, all above are reflections of human nature, culture, and economy.
So let's go back to NVT OSArmor. My first impression have been that it was created as a companion security for everybody. One click installation and silent protection. But after some time, it is evident to me, that too much legal software will be blocked, so such protection will be directed rather to MalwareTips/Wilderssecurity members. It will be interesting to see the final OSA version, and I hope that it will be as good as Exe Radar Pro.
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So a 'couple boxes' you look at tell you it's all rainbows and unicorns with Windows?
The MSP I work for manages 33K endpoints. Even using industry best practices for Windows Infrastructure none of us feel Windows is, or even can be made into a secure OS without effectively breaking it. When you deal with windows security most of what you are doing amounts to security theater. But the alternatives are few and far between in terms of businesses.. Consumers? You'd be silly to run Windows unless you have to - for gamers, or specifically programs I get it, anything else you'd be silly to do it and it won't end well.
Here's an anecdotal statement based on my own observations - in the last 12 months I have never seen/touched an average-joe consumer desktop/laptop running Windows that wasn't already infected/compromised/backdoored or being used to mine coins. Not a single one. Sure, I sometimes have to use forensic tools to find the compromise, but it's always there. In some cases, it was pre-installed from the factory!
@Lockdown and @Windows_Security, sometimes the opposite statements can be true, and your discussion here is a good example.
We can agree that Windows may look like the hybrid of many unfinished ideas and unnecessary solutions. But the same can be told about a human body, National Health Care, and Big Bang theory. Windows will always be a symbol of the successful informatization, and no one can prove that another, better-designed OS, would be more successful with less dangerous side effects for the users. Windows is surely not so good from the security point of view, but our cars and traffic regulations are not either. In some way, all above are reflections of human nature, culture, and economy.
So let's go back to NVT OSArmor. My first impression was that it was created as a companion security for everybody. One click installation and silent protection. But after some time, it is evident to me, that too much legal software will be blocked, so such protection will be directed rather to MalwareTips/Wilderssecurity members. It will be interesting to see the final OSA version, and I hope that it will be as good as Exe Radar Pro.
The Average Joe takes his\her PC home from the retail shop and never makes it to MT or anything like it.
If he\she manages to install a more capable protection than Windows Defender and get it properly configured all by themselves for high security, then it is a miracle.
Windows should not need NVTOSA in the first place (some will argue that it doesn't, but the reality of it is that it does since security was never a primary objective in Windows in the first place; Windows was never designed from the ground up to be a secure OS with security first and everything else secondary - in fact is an afterthought - at least on the Home version).
It's a sad, pathetic state of affairs - and part and parcel to why the malware war can never be won.
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- Jul 3, 2015
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Bill Gates assassinated all competition 20 years ago, and the anti-trust suits came too little and too late. Now we just have to accept the king we have, lest we find ourselves beheaded.
- Jul 7, 2014
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this thread is going off topic by I parsec unit.
- Apr 16, 2017
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fwiw I ran EAM with cf10@cs for several months on win7pro64 and no problems.
- Mar 13, 2016
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Yep, sorry I agree with Andy
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- Aug 17, 2013
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I think If the 'Computer guy' In the family setup Linux Mint Cinnamon, showed their family members how easy it is to install software from the software centre, no need for using the command line AND Linux Mint Cinnamon looks a lot like Windows so they'd feel right at home that not many would switch back to Windows unless they needed specific Windows software or gaming. Linux Mint Cinnamon Would serve the average Joe extremely well. The same thing can be said for Ubuntu or Mint MATE edition and Solus OS Budgie or MATE. No command lines, Just happy average Joe's checking their Facebook, Emails,YouTube, NetFlix and any other regular day to day tasks. Solus OS is even more secure because it's a lot more than just another distro. Even though it uses the Gnome stack it's on OS built from scratch and would serve any Windows user extremely well with either the Budgie Desktop or the MATE desktop.
Back on course and I think NVT OSArmor has the potential to be a great piece of extra protection.
Back on course and I think NVT OSArmor has the potential to be a great piece of extra protection.
- Jul 3, 2015
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It's good also for the super-noobs, the ones who never install new programs, because they don't know how. A geek installs it for them, makes sure it doesn't block the two or three programs they use, and they're good to go.So let's go back to NVT OSArmor. My first impression have been that it was created as a companion security for everybody. One click installation and silent protection. But after some time, it is evident to me, that too much legal software will be blocked, so such protection will be directed rather to MalwareTips/Wilderssecurity members. .
- Aug 30, 2012
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- Jan 16, 2017
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Don't delete those comments thoughOK guys, stay on topic...
They're interesting.
- Aug 30, 2012
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Comments are appropriate and the theme is totally interesting and discussable but we should stick to the original topic.Don't delete those comments though
NVT's freewares are what beginners should study. They're a perfect starting point to familiarize themselves with some of Windows' weaknesses and how to patch them.
Andreas' utilities cover all the general concepts that most anyone can wrap their head around.
There's no excuse. They're free. All it takes is effort.
The problem is that Average Joe super-beginners does not know such awesome places as MT exist where he\she can gain knowledge that just might save their bank account from being pillaged by a banking Trojan simply by using a freeware like NVT OSA.
Andreas' utilities cover all the general concepts that most anyone can wrap their head around.
There's no excuse. They're free. All it takes is effort.
The problem is that Average Joe super-beginners does not know such awesome places as MT exist where he\she can gain knowledge that just might save their bank account from being pillaged by a banking Trojan simply by using a freeware like NVT OSA.
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- Aug 23, 2012
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Very interesting comments, questions, opinions and feedbacks guys
Just as information, here are some more details and characteristics about OSArmor:
1) It doesn't use code injection, API hooking, etc (as @Opcode said) and due to this, it should be compatible with mostly any other security software.
2) It is based on "Process Permit" technology (an anti-exe\application whitelisting "skeleton" framework) that uses a powerful and stable kernel-driver:
Skeleton Framework for Application Whitelisting Software | NoVirusThanks
It is the same "skeleton" used for EXE Radar Pro v3 and v4, and supports XP to 10 (32 and 64-bit), FUS, LUA, etc.
3) It is aimed at adding an additional layer of protection, independently from the security software installed (it can help mitigate and block many different kind of threats).
4) A single rule, i.e "Block suspicious command-line strings" has 100+ smart internal rules that block not just one threat, but many known and unknown ones.
5) We believe that there may always be something that OSArmor can block or mitigate that the installed security software (free or paid) may not catch.
6) It can block not-needed system programs or functionalities that are commonly hijacked\exploited by malware (mitigating a malware attack).
7) It can block common ways used by malware to infect the PC, i.e via malicious documents (DOC, XLS, etc), exploit payloads, fileless attacks, VBS or JS scripts, USB autorun.inf, and so on.
8) As of now, it uses more than 500 internal smart rules that can mitigate and block malware attacks.
Yes we agree with this, OSArmor is built for any user, we started OSArmor with not-experienced users as targets in mind.
We are doing our best to handle all important and common FPs internally (the objective is to have 0 common FPs)
All reported FPs will be fixed in the next days.
Just as information, here are some more details and characteristics about OSArmor:
1) It doesn't use code injection, API hooking, etc (as @Opcode said) and due to this, it should be compatible with mostly any other security software.
2) It is based on "Process Permit" technology (an anti-exe\application whitelisting "skeleton" framework) that uses a powerful and stable kernel-driver:
Skeleton Framework for Application Whitelisting Software | NoVirusThanks
It is the same "skeleton" used for EXE Radar Pro v3 and v4, and supports XP to 10 (32 and 64-bit), FUS, LUA, etc.
3) It is aimed at adding an additional layer of protection, independently from the security software installed (it can help mitigate and block many different kind of threats).
4) A single rule, i.e "Block suspicious command-line strings" has 100+ smart internal rules that block not just one threat, but many known and unknown ones.
5) We believe that there may always be something that OSArmor can block or mitigate that the installed security software (free or paid) may not catch.
6) It can block not-needed system programs or functionalities that are commonly hijacked\exploited by malware (mitigating a malware attack).
7) It can block common ways used by malware to infect the PC, i.e via malicious documents (DOC, XLS, etc), exploit payloads, fileless attacks, VBS or JS scripts, USB autorun.inf, and so on.
8) As of now, it uses more than 500 internal smart rules that can mitigate and block malware attacks.
Yes we agree with this, OSArmor is built for any user, we started OSArmor with not-experienced users as targets in mind.
We are doing our best to handle all important and common FPs internally (the objective is to have 0 common FPs)
All reported FPs will be fixed in the next days.
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they should be moved to their own thread.
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