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Ksqt1974

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Hello community,
As computers have developed since the late 1990's I have been a casual user, that means email and minimal browsing. Recently I have had to make career choices and I attend school for a Web Design degree to get things started. I joined this forum because I am hungry to learn all I can, about as much as I can. I am cautious when online, researching, checking and double checking all the information I can before making any decision to download or otherwise place my computer and information at risk. I am hoping to learn alot from this site, as it was recommended by word of mouth by several colleagues I attend school with. Looking forward to the Information Overload. Any suggestions on things needed to learn are greatly appreciated for this middle of the road user.
 

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G'day and welcome to MalwareTips. I hope you enjoy your time here in the forums. :)

Feel free to contribute in this community. :cool: This a good place to be. ;)

Hello community,
As computers have developed since the late 1990's I have been a casual user, that means email and minimal browsing. Recently I have had to make career choices and I attend school for a Web Design degree to get things started. I joined this forum because I am hungry to learn all I can, about as much as I can. I am cautious when online, researching, checking and double checking all the information I can before making any decision to download or otherwise place my computer and information at risk. I am hoping to learn alot from this site, as it was recommended by word of mouth by several colleagues I attend school with. Looking forward to the Information Overload. Any suggestions on things needed to learn are greatly appreciated for this middle of the road user.
You sound like a wise person. :D
 
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Ksqt1974

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Wisdom was once explained to me like this.....An Intelligent person can tell it is raining because of the water falling from the sky, A Wise person goes inside to get out of the rain. I am not sure how wise I am as I am often caught outside in the rain. Sometimes though I am Cautious enough to take an umbrella. I just have to check and make sure it works.
But thanks much, I appreciate the vote of confidence.
 

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Welcome to MalwareTips:) You'll learn a lot here. There's always a new trick or two you can learn and grasp here. Just don't be wary to share your experiences or issues and the guys here will be more than eager to guide/help you :)
 

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Hello and welcome to the community!

You really went on the right place to began your journey on learning through security and computer technology. :)
 

Maikuolan

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I'm very new here myself, having only joined towards the latter half of this February and haven't yet posted or contributed anywhere near as much as many of the more senior members, and having posted my own introduction only a few days ago, hadn't yet responded to anyone else's; Yours is the first. In my short time here, I've found the community here to be very welcoming, friendly and helpful, and I've no doubt you'll find the same. Nice to meet you, and welcome to the community. :)

Any suggestions on things needed to learn are greatly appreciated for this middle of the road user.

Computers and internet technology, as subjects, are so exceptionally vast, wide ranging in what they cover and in what they entail, and so exceptionally ubiquitous and potent in the roles that they play and influences that they have on our daily lives as a wider society and as a world overall, that it can sometimes become rather overwhelming to simply look at the subjects in their entirety when approaching the question of "things needed to learn", regardless of whether those approaching the question are the most basic neophytes or the most advanced adepts of either of the given subjects or any of the constituent topics for which they cover, and as time progresses, this is only likely to be exacerbated by the continual onward march of technological progress and advancement.

Of course, there is absolutely no reason and no need to feel overwhelmed by that; After all, anybody that knows anything had to learn everything they know at some point somewhere, nobody anywhere knows absolutely everything and almost anybody that thinks that they know nothing, if questioned on the matter, would probably be found to know at least something on the matter, and one of the beautiful things about computers and internet technology are that, due the logical nature of how it all essentially works, anybody that is interested in the matter and keen to learn more about it, with patience and with following their interests, shouldn't have much difficulty in fairly quickly becoming well acquainted with those topics that fit within their interests.

I personally feel, that for anyone on either end of the spectrum or anywhere in between, the best way to approach this question is with additional questions; To break down those subjects into those constituent topics for which we have personal interest or investment in, for which are relevant to our personal circumstances and for which we may have particular curiosities for, and to express those constituent topics in the form of additional questions.

Questions such as, "How does this [thing of interest] work?", "Why is this so?", "How do I do [something that I'm wanting to do]?" and the likes.

I think, the best way that I could advise you regarding "things needed to learn" and the best suggestion I could provide to those ends, would be to ask of you and for you to think: What interests you the most about computers and internet technology and what sort of things specifically do you want to learn? I believe, if you focus on what you -want- to learn, given time, everything that you -need- to learn will follow on from that naturally and seamlessly. :)
 

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Hello and welcome to MalwareTips!
 

Ksqt1974

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If there is a better way to describe using common sense in learning, I have not heard it. Your response was very eloquently stated. As for a response to your targeting questions that is both easy and difficult to answer.

So I will start with the easy part. As I noted in my introductory post I am attending school for Web Design. Thus, what my interest is, in both computers and the technology of the internet, is easy...............protection for my (hopefully soon to be acquired) customers. What I mean is this: With the amount of web based WYSIWYG editors and sites that make the everyday individual a basic web designer, those of us putting money into education need a skill set beyond development and design to set ourselves apart from the ready made development sites. For me this going to be in the direction of assisting in providing at least some basic protection for my customers and clients.

For myself, I am a fairly cautious internet user. I research, consider, research some more and then consider some more, when I am looking for downloads or sites to join, or whatever. Often times this internal debate will go on for long periods of time before making a decision and acting on it ( my current personal debate is on torrents and their safety). However, I also realize that I probably make a bigger deal of decisions involving the web than does the average business owner, just my nature. But I also realize that it is entirely possible for a client to try to do something through or do something with their website, and because they do not know what they are doing, they could unknowingly create access for someone on the outside to gain entry to not just their site, but their business as well.

I am watching Captain America as I write this. There is a line that one of the bad guys says that makes the point that 'our lives are a digital book in the 21st century', everything that defines us is online somewhere, somehow. While I don't plan to become a security expert or anything like that, I do very much want to be able to provide security on a case by case basis for my future clients. After all, who would actually use Google if they were always being hacked, or spammed, or whatever. By providing my clients a safe and secure site, they are in turn providing the same things for their customer to browse in, thus helping customers to want to spend money .

That is my goal. That is what I desire most to learn. That is my starting point, as more will always follow because 1 answer always creates 2 questions.

Like I said, both easy and difficult to answer But it is a definite direction.
 
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Maikuolan

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For myself, I am a fairly cautious internet user. I research, consider, research some more and then consider some more, when I am looking for downloads or sites to join, or whatever. Often times this internal debate will go on for long periods of time before making a decision and acting on it ( my current personal debate is on torrents and their safety). However, I also realize that I probably make a bigger deal of decisions involving the web than does the average business owner, just my nature.

Absolutely not a bad thing, I believe. Although there are, of course, always going to be exceptions, I suspect that the vast majority of security breeches, malware, virus infections and other such things that occur throughout where the average user-base is concerned, if not for a lack of such caution, could easily be prevented. Although there is a significant pool of examples out there of far more elaborate ploys and methods for infection available, by far, there is absolutely no shortage of examples of such ploys and methods of infection whereby victims become victims due to clicking on a suspicious email link, willingly downloading an untrustworthy program, choosing to use a password for the credentials of a login for an untrustworthy website that has already used for something like the credentials for an online banking login page and other similar such things.

But I also realize that it is entirely possible for a client to try to do something through or do something with their website, and because they do not know what they are doing, they could unknowingly create access for someone on the outside to gain entry to not just their site, but their business as well.

It's always good to hear when those in the role of webdesigner and similar such roles, current or aspiring, take an active interest in the security and safety of their clients, and by far, unfortunately, I believe that there are far too many that don't.

It's difficult to know exactly where to start with suggestions outside of specific context and outside of knowing precisely what is and isn't already known, but I can certainly offer a few potential starting points for areas to research into (some are obvious and very generalised, some are more specifically dealing with your specific areas of interest).

- Effective use of passwords and securing all back-end systems: Making sure that anything on the website that's directly interactive with the website in ways that can result in modifying how that website operates (such as administration areas and the likes) and that need to be there are secured with proper login requirements, that these logins are managed effectively (a point of research would be for how to secure login pages) and that the passwords used for these logins are secure in themselves (such as making sure that clients don't use passwords like "god", "power123", their children's birthdays, their favourite colour or any other obvious choices that could be easily guessed, deduced or brute-forced; things like that). If possible, close any unrequired back-end ports, and ensure that access points for back-end systems such as FTP, cPanel and MySQL (if present), aren't left unsecured. If passwords are being stored somewhere, make sure that they're hashed or encrypted (or both), as opposed to being stored in plain-text format.

- Sanitisation, sanitisation, sanitisation: If there are any forms on websites that allow users to post data that then gets processed by the website and saved onto a database, emailed to the client or otherwise stored anywhere in some way or another, ensuring that all data entered is correctly sanised during processing and prior to being stored; A good point of research would be to look into things like "website sanitisation", "SQL injection" and "XSS vulnerabilities". Failing to ensure good sanitisation for a website is essentially a guarantee that the website in question will be hacked, defaced and compromised in a very short period of time.

- Putting yourself into the shoes of your clients, imagine one day that the websites you'll be about to create are hacked and the information contained therein stolen by the hackers responsible; Is the stealing of any of that information a critical threat to the client? If it is, if possible, do your best to make sure it never gets put up on the website in the first place. Information that doesn't exist on a particular website can't be directly obtained by hacking that particular website. Basically, if something is too dangerous to be online, then, it probably shouldn't be online. When making backups of databases or sensitive information, store that data offline, on secured hard-drives or similar; Don't keep it online where it can be potentially accessed by unwanted third parties.

- Keeping everything up to-date: Whatever you're using to power the websites you build, if you're using some CMS (Content Management System), forum software or similar, making sure that you're using the latest available versions of that software and keeping an eye out for any new security vulnerabilities, exploits or similar that are announced regarding that software.

- PCs, laptops and phones aren't the only things affected by malware and viruses; Servers and websites can become infected, too. If it's at all possible, and if you have any control over it (this can be especially difficult to manage over shared hosting environments or any similar environments where you might not always have absolute control over the environment where the website exists), try to see to installing an anti-virus and/or anti-malware solution to help protect it. If you can't, or if it isn't possible, don't worry too much, because there are ways around this problem, but, if you can and if it's possible to do, this is especially important to do if you happen to allow users other than the client to upload files to the websites in question.

- Assuming that you have some level of control over what does and doesn't exist on the back-end, removal of anything that interacts with the server or website at the back-end level that isn't actually required at all; If there's a chance something could pose a security risk, naturally, we'll want to negate that risk; In the event that it's something that doesn't need to be there.. The easiest way to secure it, of course, would be to just remove it altogether.

- Although it isn't always a viable option, where viable, hosting a website on a machine of its own, rather than in a shared hosting environment, is always going to be more secure; This is because, if a single machine is hosting thousands of different websites, if that machine isn't entirely secured and there exists some vulnerability on any one of those thousands of different websites allowing an attacker to compromise the machine, then that vulnerability will essentially pose a risk to and effect every other website on that same machine. In this case, unfortunately, you'll inevitably end up playing the game of cost weighing, because dedicated hosting on dedicated machines, although generally far more secure, tend to cost a lot more money than shared hosting on non-dedicated machines (unless, of course, you just host it yourself on a machine at home, in which case, the costs can be very cheap, but, that option also often isn't so viable for everyone for various other reasons, such as the policies set forth by the ISP managing the connections that run to and from the machine in question, potential issues with bandwidth, speed and other such things; I also feel that there's a higher learning curve for hosting at home rather than hosting with an actual hosting company, certainly, not an insurmountable learning curve, but a slightly higher one nonetheless).

A few general ideas to take on-board, though not necessarily suggestions for things to research:

- Never trust user input and never trust the client-side (as opposed to server-side); If you code something to interact with the information sent to the website by a user's browser (such as UA information, for example), considering that almost anything sent to the website by a user/visitor can be potentially forged, never treat that information as an absolute truth.

- Always back up; If something is important enough that it'd be problematic if something were to happen to it, keep regular, up to-date backups of it.

- Keep proactive; Security is an ever-changing and ever-evolving game, and as time progresses, so does the standards and so does what you do and don't need to know, and as such, there'll always be new things to learn and there'll always be room to improve.

- Never panic; Security is always easier to deal with when we're level-headed.

- Read lots of tutorials, pull apart anything you like that you can get your hands on to try to work out how it works, experiment like mad, and if you've got an idea, give it a go.

- If you have questions about something or if you need help, never be afraid to ask.

I am watching Captain America as I write this. There is a line that one of the bad guys says that makes the point that 'our lives are a digital book in the 21st century', everything that defines us is online somewhere, somehow.

Great movie; Enjoyed watching that one. And also very true; Ever more-so due to our ever-increasingly digitised lives and society that ever-increasingly relies on internet-based technologies. :)

While I don't plan to become a security expert or anything like that, I do very much want to be able to provide security on a case by case basis for my future clients. After all, who would actually use Google if they were always being hacked, or spammed, or whatever. By providing my clients a safe and secure site, they are in turn providing the same things for their customer to browse in, thus helping customers to want to spend money .

That is my goal. That is what I desire most to learn. That is my starting point, as more will always follow because 1 answer always creates 2 questions.

Like I said, both easy and difficult to answer But it is a definite direction.

Indeed it is, and well answered! It sounds to me like you've got a very good idea of what you're wanting and where you're going, and I think it's definitely a good direction to be heading. Happy to help wherever possible, as does I've no doubt the wider community here at MalwareTips. I hope that some of this helps out in some way, and again, welcome to the community. :)
 
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