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<blockquote data-quote="bazang" data-source="post: 1115931" data-attributes="member: 114717">The WithSecure version tested does not include the changes that are being made in the consumer version. Eventually it will, but not now. F-Secure will use its consumer userbase as the guinea pigs for 19.9 with all the changes (move to Avira components and whatever else they are not revealing). Then, after X amount of time, WithSecure will slowly roll them out.F-Secure and WithSecure on paper and physically are two different companies, but they both use the same code base. In short, they are essentially the same product. What happens on the F side usually happens on the W side, and vice versa.F-Secure and WithSecure were never top A-List antivirus. Never have been historically and never will be going forward. They did offer very important advantages to users that wanted these benefits:1. Light on system resources; and2. Fast detection; and3. Competitive detection (competitive with their peers).But as far as a breached or post-exploitation environment. Nah. When that happens, the information systems are not served very well by any antivirus product. For such environments you need defense-in-depth - and that itself has to be skillfully configured and maintained.Every wonder why there are no antivirus labs that test antivirus performance in breached and post-exploitation environments?I do not wonder. I know why. Nobody except Eugene Kaspersky would be willing to participate in such tests. But after the first set of tests even Eugene would withdraw because such testing would expose the inconvenient and ugly truths about antivirus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bazang, post: 1115931, member: 114717"] The WithSecure version tested does not include the changes that are being made in the consumer version. Eventually it will, but not now. F-Secure will use its consumer userbase as the guinea pigs for 19.9 with all the changes (move to Avira components and whatever else they are not revealing). Then, after X amount of time, WithSecure will slowly roll them out. F-Secure and WithSecure on paper and physically are two different companies, but they both use the same code base. In short, they are essentially the same product. What happens on the F side usually happens on the W side, and vice versa. F-Secure and WithSecure were never top A-List antivirus. Never have been historically and never will be going forward. They did offer very important advantages to users that wanted these benefits: 1. Light on system resources; and 2. Fast detection; and 3. Competitive detection (competitive with their peers). But as far as a breached or post-exploitation environment. Nah. When that happens, the information systems are not served very well by any antivirus product. For such environments you need defense-in-depth - and that itself has to be skillfully configured and maintained. Every wonder why there are no antivirus labs that test antivirus performance in breached and post-exploitation environments? I do not wonder. I know why. Nobody except Eugene Kaspersky would be willing to participate in such tests. But after the first set of tests even Eugene would withdraw because such testing would expose the inconvenient and ugly truths about antivirus. [/QUOTE]

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