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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 97327" data-source="post: 1040525"><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite109" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> I am planning to stay old school as long as possible, I don&#039;t have a smart energy/water/gas meter. Our overal usage&nbsp; electric/water/gas averages out more than 10 percent below houses with comparable surface/configuration/number of inhabitants (our neigbours in our street, because we live in an neigbourhoud which was innovative and experimental, just before the millennium transition,&nbsp; and super economic (and build with reuse and cyclic economy in mind).I don&#039;t have a smart heating system and&nbsp; I put all my smart devices in the guest network of my 2.4 Ghz Wifi band. I don&#039;t want my smart devices to interact ever with each other. I keep them partioned and contained as much as possible,I have floor heating and a simple temperature sensor (on the water return pipe) with a direct interceptor to the central heating system (which overrules the temperature measured in the living room when nessecary). Simple thermostat knobs on every radiator in every sleeping room and bathroom allow me to adjust temperatures in each sleeping room.&nbsp; So I got all the benefits of personalized heating without the hassle of IOT security and device integration. The structure of the house (facing south) automatically switches of heating using these analog devices&nbsp; (except on maybe 10 days of the coldest days of Dutch winters).I am planning to buy second hand car batteries to store the solar energy and upgrade our solar panels (because they are nearly 25 years old, but still delivering 90% of their nominal power) I can double the capabity with half the number of solar panels. So I am not against innovation an modern technology, I just don&#039;t trust firmware of smart devicesMy dumb setup with old school analog sensors beats the smart systems of our neigbours well over 10 percent, so I keep resisting as long as possible to smart stuff</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 97327, post: 1040525"] :) I am planning to stay old school as long as possible, I don't have a smart energy/water/gas meter. Our overal usage electric/water/gas averages out more than 10 percent below houses with comparable surface/configuration/number of inhabitants (our neigbours in our street, because we live in an neigbourhoud which was innovative and experimental, just before the millennium transition, and super economic (and build with reuse and cyclic economy in mind). I don't have a smart heating system and I put all my smart devices in the guest network of my 2.4 Ghz Wifi band. I don't want my smart devices to interact ever with each other. I keep them partioned and contained as much as possible, I have floor heating and a simple temperature sensor (on the water return pipe) with a direct interceptor to the central heating system (which overrules the temperature measured in the living room when nessecary). Simple thermostat knobs on every radiator in every sleeping room and bathroom allow me to adjust temperatures in each sleeping room. So I got all the benefits of personalized heating without the hassle of IOT security and device integration. The structure of the house (facing south) automatically switches of heating using these analog devices (except on maybe 10 days of the coldest days of Dutch winters). I am planning to buy second hand car batteries to store the solar energy and upgrade our solar panels (because they are nearly 25 years old, but still delivering 90% of their nominal power) I can double the capabity with half the number of solar panels. So I am not against innovation an modern technology, I just don't trust firmware of smart devices My dumb setup with old school analog sensors beats the smart systems of our neigbours well over 10 percent, so I keep resisting as long as possible to smart stuff [/QUOTE]

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