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What is your take on the Kaspersky Ban in US, UK and EU?
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<blockquote data-quote="dabluez98" data-source="post: 773841" data-attributes="member: 75357"><p>I am sorry but in my view what Umbra says is simplistic and nonsense. </p><p></p><p>If your concern is that you may be targeted in some ways as a result of being spied upon by security software, this is justified. But if this is your concern, in fact the very products that you should not use are the ones that is under the jurisdiction of the country you are in. For example if you're in the US I would say it's more likely that you will harm yourself by using Bitdefender. Have you guys forgotten about all the unjustified and secret tapping of the US government does on its own citizens? remember, security is not about protecting average Joe - it's about protecting major interests, it's also very much about governments quelling down dissent within their own borders - so if anything you should be more concerned about sticking to absent institutions within the US if you're living in the US because those are the very apps that will collude. If say Kaspersky is spying on you that's bad, but the impacts of that on you will be far less severe than other security apps such as Bitdefender or AOL are spying on you. Again remember Assange and Wikileaks. you have to think about the way the government thinks, you cannot apply your own moral view of the world to geopolitics. This goes to my next point, this home nonsense ( which if you remember Apple also called nonsense because they said there is no evidence to support such a claim that Chinese were implanting spy devices in their products), this will nonsense is more about geopolitics and it's not about individual citizens. It's about countries establishing their power on the world stage. in the way that disconnects to you as a citizen, you should be more scared of your own government, which will take whatever it means to protect its integrity in times of danger - that means violating your rights, just take a look at world history and see whether it was other governments that undermined your rights or the government of the home country of citizens.</p><p></p><p>I think another point is to really pay careful attention to evidence too - and this is really hard to figure out because you don't know who is making up evidence and who is not. I would most certainly not trust the home government of the country I am in - I within this case trust Kaspersky a bit more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dabluez98, post: 773841, member: 75357"] I am sorry but in my view what Umbra says is simplistic and nonsense. If your concern is that you may be targeted in some ways as a result of being spied upon by security software, this is justified. But if this is your concern, in fact the very products that you should not use are the ones that is under the jurisdiction of the country you are in. For example if you're in the US I would say it's more likely that you will harm yourself by using Bitdefender. Have you guys forgotten about all the unjustified and secret tapping of the US government does on its own citizens? remember, security is not about protecting average Joe - it's about protecting major interests, it's also very much about governments quelling down dissent within their own borders - so if anything you should be more concerned about sticking to absent institutions within the US if you're living in the US because those are the very apps that will collude. If say Kaspersky is spying on you that's bad, but the impacts of that on you will be far less severe than other security apps such as Bitdefender or AOL are spying on you. Again remember Assange and Wikileaks. you have to think about the way the government thinks, you cannot apply your own moral view of the world to geopolitics. This goes to my next point, this home nonsense ( which if you remember Apple also called nonsense because they said there is no evidence to support such a claim that Chinese were implanting spy devices in their products), this will nonsense is more about geopolitics and it's not about individual citizens. It's about countries establishing their power on the world stage. in the way that disconnects to you as a citizen, you should be more scared of your own government, which will take whatever it means to protect its integrity in times of danger - that means violating your rights, just take a look at world history and see whether it was other governments that undermined your rights or the government of the home country of citizens. I think another point is to really pay careful attention to evidence too - and this is really hard to figure out because you don't know who is making up evidence and who is not. I would most certainly not trust the home government of the country I am in - I within this case trust Kaspersky a bit more. [/QUOTE]
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