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What is your take on the Kaspersky Ban in US, UK and EU?
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<blockquote data-quote="ForgottenSeer 58943" data-source="post: 773844"><p>Here's the thing. US Citizens have immense protection within the USA, not just the US Constitution, but also state constitutions and local/regional laws/regulations. Let's assume there is spying going on internally, so what? They can't do anything with the data or they risk exposure of methods and sources, and in the vast majority of cases exposure would also mean liability since they didn't follow the requirements of the law. So let's say DISA or the NSA snags a list of your installed programs and documents. By law, they are required to have a warrant to gather this. If it was gathered due to a 'technical' issue, they are required to delete it. It can't be used as actionable intelligence whatsoever, period.</p><p></p><p>The golden rule for US Citizens is - you can basically do anything you want as long as you don't A) Threaten others. B) Threaten yourself. Barring those two things, American's have virtually unlimited freedom to do as they please. Even if you go insane, run out and wave, scream and act like a fool or claim you are Jesus Christ or aliens abducted you, nobody can do anything about it. Even if the LE arrests you under the baker act or 5150 you CANNOT be held over 72 hours provided you do not threaten to harm others, or yourself. Even if a psychiatrist says you are absolutely NUTS.</p><p></p><p>The reality is most likely this - for US Citizens, using a US Based antivirus product is probably your best bet because it activates not only the constitutional protections, but consumer protection laws. Norton isn't going to risk their bottom line spying on you, and the big boys have other methods to get what they need anyway.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ForgottenSeer 58943, post: 773844"] Here's the thing. US Citizens have immense protection within the USA, not just the US Constitution, but also state constitutions and local/regional laws/regulations. Let's assume there is spying going on internally, so what? They can't do anything with the data or they risk exposure of methods and sources, and in the vast majority of cases exposure would also mean liability since they didn't follow the requirements of the law. So let's say DISA or the NSA snags a list of your installed programs and documents. By law, they are required to have a warrant to gather this. If it was gathered due to a 'technical' issue, they are required to delete it. It can't be used as actionable intelligence whatsoever, period. The golden rule for US Citizens is - you can basically do anything you want as long as you don't A) Threaten others. B) Threaten yourself. Barring those two things, American's have virtually unlimited freedom to do as they please. Even if you go insane, run out and wave, scream and act like a fool or claim you are Jesus Christ or aliens abducted you, nobody can do anything about it. Even if the LE arrests you under the baker act or 5150 you CANNOT be held over 72 hours provided you do not threaten to harm others, or yourself. Even if a psychiatrist says you are absolutely NUTS. The reality is most likely this - for US Citizens, using a US Based antivirus product is probably your best bet because it activates not only the constitutional protections, but consumer protection laws. Norton isn't going to risk their bottom line spying on you, and the big boys have other methods to get what they need anyway. [/QUOTE]
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