Your PC is infected, but is it your fault?

Do you think that malware infection is mostly "your fault" ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 70.8%
  • No

    Votes: 12 18.5%
  • I don't have a clear opinion on this

    Votes: 7 10.8%

  • Total voters
    65

BoraMurdar

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There is a joke when the kid approaches the policeman eating his donuts. The kid asked him how many donuts did he eat on empty stomach. The policeman answered "I dunno, didn't count, probably 5..." No no, the little kid replied, you ate only the first one on the empty stomach, the rest of the donuts weren't eaten on empty stomach. The policeman, depressed, goes to his station, and started crying. "Ah, we are so stupid!" he yelled. His chief, also eating donuts, asked him what's wrong.
- Why are you crying and saying that we are stupid?!
- OK boss, how many donuts did you eat on the empty stomach from this morning?
- I dunno, maybe 8
- Damn! If you had said 5 then I could prove it to you!

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Prologue

I used this joke as an allegory to a zero-day attack. What is a zero-day? In my opinion, and nowadays, it's an absolute term. With everything connected through the cloud, and network corporations constantly monitor the traffic anomalies, the zero-day attack could happen to you, but if it happens to another person/computer at the approximately same time is it still a zero-day? What if I take ThisIsNotVirus.exe and execute it, like a normal person with its normal unsustainable urge to click, give it admin rights (no! of course, I disabled UAC when my supergeek friend reinstalled my Windows because there were some unexplainable popups pop-upping everywhere from my browser to my media player.), so it already has an admin rights to do whatever it wants.
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Chapter I

What is the point of the AV if I click ThisIsNotVirus.exe today, and VirusTotal shows 0/56, my system is ruined, and tomorrow VirusTotal shows 55/56 (sorry ClamAV, you didn't catch it). So tomorrow, everyone who also clicked on that legitimate innocent file was protected, and I paid the collective price for everyone.
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Because you are uneducated to use your computer properly I say. In this case, it's your fault.
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Chapter II

You take an undiscovered Windows vulnerability. Yet undiscovered. Some bad people use it to create an exploit that can do numerous of things from monitoring what do you do, to stealing your data, your passwords, your naked photos with rum and cheesecake in your bathtub. use your machine as a hostage, demand a ransom from a damage caused to you.

Luckily, you are not the main protagonist of this story, when either the actual malware is used, security hole for a breach, injector, or an imitator. Yes, deal with it, you are not important enough for a hacker to steal something from you. Except :
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That security hole will always remain unpatched. Yes, you are careless enough for people to trick you, again, uneducated to use your computer properly.
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Chapter III

Ringing...
- Yes, here is Pete, how can I help you?
- I am infected with a nasty virus, please help!
- OK, calm down, and tell me what OS you are using?
- Windows XP Pro Super 10 Edition, downloaded from reliable warez source ...
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- Hello, Pete? Are you there?!

So, don't use any combination of outdated software, especially if your defenses are layered. It's like you are going into war with full equipment, futuristic lasers and guns, but naked. No security company will take you seriously if you didn't use all the latest patches and your problem is directly caused by not having them.

So, again, it is your fault. You were uneducated enough to go into a war naked and now you are crying because someone shot you.
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Chapter IV

There are just too many memes for this and about this theme.
Our malware removal expert TwinHeadedEagle, once said that most infections he deals with are the fault of the end-user. Most infections came from cracks, patches, and keygens,... torrents. It could also be applied when you are installing software carelessly:
"This will install 100 add-ons that program you downloaded doesn't need to function, but it would be awesome if you click..."
YES! I AGREE! Come on, I want to see how this new baby looks! WOW! They changed the UI! It's much better now! Functionalities improved? "some minor bugs fixed".

OK, I admit, I was infected once with some stupid worm, that created shortcuts for almost every file I had...everywhere! It was when I bought my computer (11 years ago), I didn't know that Updating Windows is a good thing, I used AVG and updated it offline (through offline signature pack). We didn't have the internet. (crying like the policeman in the beginning of this story).

When, you might ask?
I was trying to crack Nero Burning ROM. (a relief)
I had nothing to lose back then. Was it my fault? Yes, I was uneducated enough to use a computer.
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Chapter V

Long story short. Your brain.exe is your main Antivirus, main Anti-Exe, HIPS, Firewall, Sandbox, Virtualization. If that component malfunction, nothing can help.

When isn't it your fault?
When you are aware of everything that can happen to you, you are aware that there is so much that it isn't yet discovered for you to know, you took all security and prevention measures, covered all the major attack vectors but... ...you were that first donut that policeman ate. You simply didn't have luck.

Nothing is impossible. Remember that.
Thank you for reading!
 

RoboMan

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Get lost ClamAV nobody wants you here...

I voted "Yes" when malware infection is your fault. It's always your fault. Of course, when talking about malware, not Windows vulnerabilities that could make your PC exploitable without you downloading stuff.

It's always the same story. Basic, default, untweaked protection, disabled to install software. In most cases, when you are aware on how to surf and be protected, you'd have any sig-less software or default-deny solution to protect you when antivirus signature-based fails.
 

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Really good read. I agree. Want to share some of my own experiences. I didn't have internet 6 years ago:( I used to get infection via USB all the time. AV installed but outdated signatures weren't enough. This won't be my fault. 5 years ago, finally had the internet(although ridiculously slow and used to get disconnected 10 times per hour:( and need to restart router all the time:mad: ) I got infected once or twice because of happy clicking (luckily only adware). You can say this is my fault for happy clicking but might not be as well because it was only 2-3 months since I had internet. After removing those adware(good old malwarebytes), never got infected again to this day(unless there's super advanced undetectable malware hiding in the system). Istill have zero day to fear and lot to learn but developing a little knowledge on these things helped a lot to avoid malware.
That ClamAV joke :D:D:D
 

BoraMurdar

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You can say this is my fault for happy clicking but might not be as well because it was only 2-3 months since I had internet.
Was it your fault? Yes
Do I blame you? Of course not! :) There are so many falls before you learn to walk.
Istill have zero day to fear
A fear is a strong word. It's just highly unlikely that it will happen to you. Everyone should be aware of the things that happen and happened recently. But again, major succeeded attacks were accomplished on unpatched systems.
 
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"Because you are uneducated to use your computer properly I say. In this case, it's your fault."

The above about says it all.

Exploits... pffffff - only OCD paranoid worry about exploits

When is the last time that someone who has been on the security forums a long, long time can recall someone reporting that their system was exploited ?
 

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Was it your fault? Yes
Do I blame you? Of course not! :) There are so many falls before you learn to walk.

A fear is a strong word. It's just highly unlikely that it will happen to you. Everyone should be aware of the things that happen and happened recently. But again, major succeeded attacks were accomplished on unpatched systems.
Definitely. Not an important person at all. Not a rich guy. Good hackers won't bother to hack me. Silly scams least likely to infect me. Sounds like contradiction from my previous post but couldn't think of better way to express.
 

BoraMurdar

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When is the last time that someone who has been on the security forums a long, long time can recall someone reporting that their system was exploited ?
That's a question for another poll, but exclusively a good one. I cannot recall such a case.
Poor clam AV:p
Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, products or actual events is purely coincidental
 

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When is the last time that someone who has been on the security forums a long, long time can recall someone reporting that their system was exploited ?
Not impossible but very unlikely scenario. Before discovering MT or any other security forum, I managed to avoid malware for 3-4 years, after that adware infection that is. Those who visit these forums would have much more knowledge than I had.
 

RoboMan

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Oh please...

Typical users don't worry about such stuff. Only security geeks that should know better worry about exploits.
I get to be in charge of a network of computers at work, i get to do the protection and lockdown, to avoid infections or intrusions spread through it. I do worry about exploits on software (business software) and operating systems. It's my job to worry about it. As well, as a home user that works, i hold work information on it. So any exploits that could possibly attack my work network and succeed, may also target me if i unconsciously carry it home through removable devices or the remote access server because of trusting that i should not worry. Precaution isn't paranoia. As a developer you should worry about general exploits through with your software may get targeted or compromise your users.
 

Rengar

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I dont remember how many times i used cracks, keygens etc... I dont remember how many times i downloaded cracked games-AV's-programmes-Windows, movies via torrent. But the truth is i couldnt afford buying all of these like so many people and i risked it so many times... But i had my cracked AVG IS to protect me for everything :p. I was stupid.
And the funny thing is, i didnt get infected once. Coincidence, i think not.
 
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Precaution isn't paranoia.

Worrying about exploits is not precaution, it is paranoia.

Precaution is installing security softs and then being confident that they will do their intended job within the scope of their designed capabilities.

Precaution is keeping all software updated, including the OS, and adhering to best security practices.

As a developer you should worry about general exploits through with your software may get targeted or compromise your users.

We do not worry about it as we understand the nature of exploits.
 

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