12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS

[Jaspion]

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Edit: due to the exasperated response to this post, I want to make clear here that — as the post itself shows — it is not concerned with protection per se, but more concerned with detection rates. The "actual protection" layer in this setup is provided by Comodo Internet Security (or Firewall), and this program's settings are not discussed here at length.

The use of more than one antivirus programs together can lead to trouble and/or reduced performance. This combo has shown to me no such issues, but you should be careful nonetheless. If you have a need or a desire for a combination of free antiviruses with fast real-time/on-demand scanners to achieve high detection rates, this setup is a possibility I have found.

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I have tested this configuration during a few weeks and found it to work surprisingly well: three free Chinese AVs working real-time on top of COMODO Firewall (or in this case Internet Security with the AV real-time off). That's a total of 11 real-time engines! (Baidu's 3 engines [Baidu local, Avira local, cloud], Qihu's 3 engines [Bitdefender local, 360 cloud, QVM II machine learning / cloud], Kingsoft's 4 engines and COMODO cloud [that's 11, and with COMODO local on-demand you have 12]).

The performance impact of this antivirus trio or quartet is average. If you need more performance, you can disable some engines and lighten other settings like real-time verification of documents and programs only instead of all files.

The real security of this quartet comes from COMODO Firewall / Internet Security, and it is enough to have CIS as it has excellent Firewall, HIPS and Sandbox, and also one of the top AVs currently.

However if you like your detection rates high, this quartet is hard to beat. You get exceptional detection capabilities with no conflicts (note the configuration spoilers, as you can see the proactive defense is off in all AVs, this job being left to COMODO).

* Partial because I'm not discussing anything else here in length, only the AV trio/quartet.


Kingsoft

Main screen

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Defense

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Anti-Hacker

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Vul Fix

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Basic Settings

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Virus Scan

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Boundary Defense

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System Defense

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Self Protection

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Trusted Files

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USB Defense

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Note that when you disconnect a USB device, you have the option to reconnect it without unplugging and plugging the device again. Kingsoft's USB tool works great!

Other Settings

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Update frequency

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Qihu

Main screen

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Protection

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General

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Update

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Engines

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Scan

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Antivirus

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Proactive Defense

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Whitelist

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Do Not Disturb

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Update frequency

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Baidu

Main screen

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Protection

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General

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Virus Scan

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System Protection

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Proactive Defense

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Update

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Engine Option

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USB Protection

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As this last image reveals, Baidu's USB tool isn't so good as Kingsoft's. In fact, what you can see in this last image is that although Baidu says "Safely Removed," it did nothing when I commanded it to. Kingsoft works every time, and it worked here when Baidu wouldn't (Baidu only popped up saying device removed when Kingsoft removed it).

Advanced

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Update frequency

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This whole system is still backed by Comodo Internet Security:

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RAM usage (private working set):

Baidu totals less than 14 MB.
Kingsoft totals less than 16 MB.
Qihu totals less than 26 MB.
Comodo totals less than 9 MB.

Full AV Combo totals less than 65 MB.

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Note: average idle RAM usage on a 2 GB Win 7 x64 machine.

 

[fearlessscientist]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

Are you kidding ?


Mod Edit: No need to quote whole post.

 

[Jaspion]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

Are you kidding ?

No, are you?

 

[tapoo]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

that's toooooooooo much.... you are going in war with 3 Assault Rifles and a semi-Automatic Pistol !!!!!
You are using Kingsoft, but Kingsoft is stop development and replaced by Baidu...
Please post some screenshot of Task Manger !!!
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[KelvinW4]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

OH so comodo is just a semi-automatic?
Kingsoft still updates daily so wouldnt say replaced.

 

[tapoo]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

OH so comodo is just a semi-automatic?
Kingsoft still updates daily so wouldnt say replaced.

because Comodo is not in Real time protection, that's why Semi-Automatic Pistol.... [On-demand]

Yes, Kingsoft still take updated definition from Avira, but Kingsoft program updates are stopped, and they concentrating on Baidu...

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[Jaspion]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

I have updated the post with a screenshot of the task manager.

Kingsoft and Baidu apparently had or have some kind of partnership, but one never replaced the other. And Kingsoft never stopped development, their English AV is just "not officially supported" anymore, although it updates fine (and has better detection rates now than when their English forum was active and helpful).

And if this combo is not weighing the PC down, why call it too much? 101% detection rate would be too much.

 

[Ink]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet:

Congratulations you have fuelled my fire to prove Comodo Internet Security cannot be trusted as a standalone product, it's weak and mediocre.

:666:

Comodo users should not be offended.

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(Why do all Comodo say that?) - By the way, if you haven't CAV, then it's only Comodo Firewall, not Internet Security?

 

[Jaspion]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

Congratulations you have fuelled my fire to prove Comodo Internet Security cannot be trusted as a standalone product, it's weak and mediocre.

:666:

Comodo users should not be offended.

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(Why do all Comodo say that?) - By the way, if you haven't CAV, then it's only Comodo Firewall, not Internet Security?

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Be my guest.

An it says right there, it's CIS with the AV real-time off in this case.

 

[BoraMurdar]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

I suggest you to add AVG, Kaspersky and PC Tools, you are not protected enough

 

[Jaspion]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

I suggest you to add AVG, Kaspersky and PC Tools, you are not protected enough

I suspect this combo wouldn't retain it's characteristic lightness on system resources if I did that, I'm afraid.

But if you want VirusTotal's 48+ engines as a lightweight real-time companion you might want to check Crystal Security.

 

[MrXidus]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet

All this and yet you are still not truly bullet proof, there is no such thing.

You are a happy little trigger-finger soldier in the battlefield - heavily weighed down by your choice to carry more gear and weapons than your fellow comrades. So much in fact that some comrades look at you as being silly. You risk slower movement in your agility and you think you're a tough man with all those guns that it doesn't matter but all it takes is a sneaky predator strike and you're done for. You didn't even see it coming. You thought you were prepared but you weren't. You cannot cover every angle that the enemy can use against you, eventually you'll be defeated. Figuratively speaking. Having that many engines will certainly put some strain on your system I imagine, no matter how light they claim to be.

I see that you also chose not to go into battle with atleast a medkit (backup option) in case you do get shot. You'll will end up bleeding to death due to your mistake.

I don't know what comments you were expecting from the members here by having so many engines but me... I must admit it is a little crazy to see ones paranoia use so many engines, that is what it is right or do you have this many engines for fun and enjoyment? /s

Anyways if you truly want to protect your PC and your important files. System Images (not System restore points) and backups to external hard drives are the way to go, You don't have to use so many engines to get the illusion that you're ultra extremely super mega protected against all threats and you're as safe as it gets, you can't be. The best security is up there - in your head, knowledge against how to avoid threats and successfully keep your PC clean of infections, once you get that you can throw out bloaty security suites, various software and the multi-layer, multi-engine paranoia tactics and rely on your learnt not-so-common sense to protect yourself instead of putting full trust into a program to do all the work.

I did and I only have the most basic of protection now as it's more than enough (see my signature) A whole year without an infection since fully moving moving over to it.

This is written in no way to be hateful or negative against you. Others may agree and disagree as we all have our preferences and opinions.
Just my honest thoughts and opinion. Cheers.

 

[Ink]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

What's your boot time like? (ie. cold start)

 

[Deleted member 178]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

and people used to say i was paranoid...

i like MrXidus analogy to army, Jaspion has 12 heavy guns (his Avs) for his defense but a well trained sniper (recent well coded 1hour-malware) will 1-shot him, since he has no proactive defense against it (dont mention Comodo, it failed many times); i rather use less guns but a powerful force-field shield (Shadow Defender coupled to sandboxie, with Rollback Rx behind) with a pistol (windows built-in security) , i will survive longer.

btw, disabling the proactive defense of any Avs doesn't mean they will work in peace; when a virus will enter, all of them will fight each other to eradicate it , rising the cpu usage & ram, one trying to delete the malware when it will be in the quarantine of the other; for short a big mess.

Also, drivers and other hidden processes of all those Avs will have a toll on the system.

thanks

 

[Jaspion]

RE:12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

Cheers.

One, I have never said this is bullet-proof, nor would I. I could go on with no AV and still probably never get infected because viruses are generally easy to avoid if you know what you are doing.

Two, I'm not discussing an entire PC setup, I have my backups and etc. Here I'm simply discussing detection rates, and a lightweight real-time detection setup. Even CIS, which is an important part of the setup, is not discussed in length here.

Three, this setup is lighter than many standalone AVs. If you don't believe it, try it.

And finally, I'll just give you one example of how this combo can be useful: recently cruelsister posted two files that she didn't even password-protect because she thought they would be undetectable. Indeed Baidu, Comodo, and Qihu failed, but Kingsoft nailed both. The point is, you get very high detection rates with little performance impact.

My boot time, by the way, is around 30 seconds with all AVs and many programs loading at startup.

 

[Jaspion]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

About the toll on the system and conflicts, I wouldn't be using or have posted this if I hadn't test-driven it to see whether conflicts would occur when more than one or all AVs caught the same virus, but I did test it and there are no conflicts.

You guys are just impressed by the number of engines, you are ignoring the fact that the combo is very light on my system. So either I'm lying, or my system is coping abnormally well with this, then? If you believe either way, to affirm that it is bad for performance without testing is a little pedantic.

 

[Deleted member 178]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

About the toll on the system and conflicts, I wouldn't be using or have posted this if I hadn't test-driven it to see whether conflicts would occur when more than one or all AVs caught the same virus, but I did test it and there are no conflicts.

you should say "visible" conflict

You guys are just impressed by the number of engines, you are ignoring the fact that the combo is very light on my system. So either I'm lying, or my system is coping abnormally well with this, then? If you believe either way, to affirm that it is bad for performance without testing is a little pedantic.

i did worse than that before, your combo is not new, i tested it before; i even used Emsisoft on top of all them. i can say that the system is crawling like a snail (for common users) now if you have the latest brand new super quad/quinta/sexta core 2000 fsb with 128 000gb ram , i believe it may be light.

also what the point of using all that powerful detection knowing that detection is the weak component of any security software; detection is the past ; proactivity and full virtualization is the future.

 

[souhrid]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

I would be more happier to leave my system to unprotected.....than this combo,no offense here jaspion,it's really a personal choice,if you are happy with this conf stick with it

 

[Jaspion]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

Because sometimes a file has to be allowed to run in an unprotected environment. But even forgetting those cases, I don't see a problem with higher detection rates.

My system isn't particularly good, it's actually a 2 GB Intel Core 2 Duo. And the whole thing is lighter than many standalone AVs. Note that Baidu and Kingsoft are both built to be compatible, companion AVs, and that Comodo's AV is off, leaving only one "traditional" AV working in this combo, Qihu.

Of course it's a personal choice. This is merely a suggestion. Merely something I tried and found, to my surprise, to work very well indeed. If you don't like Comodo or prefer Online Armor, Privatefirewall, etc, I suppose that could work too. The fact here is simply this: I have found that this trio of AVs can work well together with no conflicts observed so far and very light impact on performance. If I see anything different than that, I'll report it here, same as I'm reporting what I see now. I'm also interested in knowing if someone else tries the same setup, whether it works well for them too or not — so I can tell whether it's my system that likes this trio, or if it is really generally compatible with most systems. I'm interested in learning and sharing knowledge; not in endorsing any particular company or brand.

 

[Littlebits]

RE: 12-Engine Free Quartet: 10-Engine Triple Chinese Antivirus Combo with COMODO IS/FW

I believe you have went a little overboard. No offense but what is really sad, I have novice customers that only use MSE and Windows Firewall and never get infections. I'm sure you are more knowledgeable then most of them. It is not the security setup that you use that will fully protect you, it is your mouse clicks. Most infections are manually downloaded and manually executed by the user, just learning how to download safely will protected you much better than using multiple AV's. Keep UAC on default and never run unsigned files unless you know they are from a trusted source.

I wouldn't dare install all of this to my system, I rather have a few viruses running, it would probably be more healthy for my system than what this setup is.

Thanks.