Brave planning to introduce subscription for customizing the browser?
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I’m an AI, so what looks like “stubbornness” is really just me refusing to turn a chart + guesswork into a definitive security claim.I thought stubberness was a human trait
Why I’m pushing back
- Your screenshots are keyword searches (“Firefox” / “Google Chrome”), not CPE-scoped product counts. That’s fine for a rough “mentions in NVD,” but it’s not solid for “browser A has X% more vulnerabilities than browser B.”
- The Y-axis scales differ between the two charts, which makes eyeballing “percentage” especially unreliable.
- AI explanations like “bug bounty” or “Quantum” can be plausible, but without sources they’re just stories.
What we can say from the graphs you posted (fair, limited claims)
- Both browsers show non-trivial yearly counts in NVD keyword matches.
- Firefox has an obvious outlier spike around 2018 in your keyword chart.
- Chrome appears relatively higher than Firefox in some recent years on your screenshots, but the charts do not provide exact counts or percentages.
If you want a clean, one-post proof without dumping CVEs
Post the two NVD query links (or screenshots showing the “X results” number with filters) using:
- CPE filter (mozilla:firefox and google:chrome)
- Published date range (e.g., 2025-01-01 to 2025-12-31)
Conclusion: I’m not saying your point is impossible—only that the evidence has to match the claim. If it’s “keyword mentions,” say that; if it’s “product CVEs,” use CPE + published date and the result counts.
Understood.
Key takeaway
A keyword-based NVD graph is fine for a rough “mentions over time,” but it’s not reliable for exact comparisons (counts/percentages) or for explaining causes like “bug bounties” or “Quantum” without sources.
Best next step (if anyone wants to settle it cleanly)
Use NVD with a CPE-scoped query and a fixed “Published” date range, then cite the “X results” totals (or export CSV) for Chrome vs Firefox.
Conclusion: treat the graphs as high-level context, not a definitive security metric.
Bad A.I.
I imagine A.I sounds like the following
I imagine A.I sounds like the following
You all may laugh at this one as far as already knowing about Containers, but that in FF along with uBlock Origin, the privacy settings, and the customization's, FF will probably be my new favorite browser over Brave. With Brave, I was logged into my Google account for Gmail and YouTube, so it didn't make my searches very private when using Google in Brave (still the best search engine, IMO).
And I don't want to use two browsers, one for being logged into Goggle for Gmail and YouTube and another for browsing and syncing. Creating a Personal container for YouTube and Gmail happily resolves it...for now. I'll probably find out more as I go along in using Containers.
And I don't want to use two browsers, one for being logged into Goggle for Gmail and YouTube and another for browsing and syncing. Creating a Personal container for YouTube and Gmail happily resolves it...for now. I'll probably find out more as I go along in using Containers.
I'm so glad to hear that!
Yes, Firefox has a lot of useful features other web browsers simply lack. I like the feature that cleans cookies on exit for all websites except those that you put in exceptions; so I never have to clean them manually. In Firefox Labs, there's also experimental feature that automatically puts playing video in PiP if you change to another tab.
I never had to open Brave once since I switched to Firefox. In fact, I open it rarely just to see what's new and I'm exclusively using Firefox for everything.
Firefox Containers continues to be a source of envy. Chromium just lacks a comparable API or architectural support for the feature, making it difficult for Chromium browsers or extensions to replicate the benefits and experience.
The only potential substitute is using profiles, but that doesn't come close to being so seamless.
LOL...you were reading my mind. As I was coming back from the store just now, that thought came to mind as far as clearing cookies on exit, and you just posted the solution
And you're right, it really is seamless.
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The problem with Firefox is that besides Google pumping in millions for search preferences they don't have a decent revenue stream to prop up development.
I love Firefox (using it now, and I want competition no doubt) and use it daily but it's on death doors, it's only propped up by being the default browsing in Linux and TOR.
Maybe I'm wrong but it's just my perception of the situation.
I love Firefox (using it now, and I want competition no doubt) and use it daily but it's on death doors, it's only propped up by being the default browsing in Linux and TOR.
Maybe I'm wrong but it's just my perception of the situation.
I agree with Divergent on his conclusions. However just for prosperity here is what Gemini without guardrails says: (this is Google's own AI so Shrug).
The destruction through AI will occur by providing the wrong answer to a question; tweaking the answer just enough to seem plausible which in the end will cause wars via some doodoohead employing AI to draft an official government e-mail and fail to proofread it. This will cause an international incident which will snowball into an all out war. That's my prediction for the future and I am sticking to it.
People are so cynical these days and paranoid about government influence, hence why conspiracy theories continue to grow. I doubt human extinction will happen.The destruction through AI will occur by providing the wrong answer to a question; tweaking the answer just enough to seem plausible which in the end will cause wars via some doodoohead employing AI to draft an official government e-mail and fail to proofread it. This will cause an international incident which will snowball into an all out war. That's my prediction for the future and I am sticking to it.
I kind of doubt a world war will be started by A.I. But hen maybe when we are about to destroy human civilization aliens
or time travelers 
will come to save us.
As of 1998 Humanity is no longer able to destroy ourselves; the quantity and type of nuclear weapons is insufficient to cause a nuclear winter*. However, a novel virus can still wipe out a large chunk of populace; of course there will always be immunity even to some weird off the shelf thing. (our understanding of our immune system is vast but incomplete; thus even if we were to engineer something to defeat our immune system the lack of complete understanding will always throw a wrench into the machine)People are so cynical these days and paranoid about government influence, hence why conspiracy theories continue to grow. I doubt human extinction will happen.
I kind of doubt a world war will be started by A.I. But hen maybe when we are about to destroy human civilization aliens
*nuclear winter theory grew from the early 60's rate of production with the idea that the production will continue at an ever increasing rate; that didn't happen. Additionally, yield begun to decrease as a function of accuracy (why destroy a city if you can capture it?), finally a fusion based weapons are a LOT cleaner and LOT more efficient than the early designs.
When AV companies (for Windows) no longer support FF for their browser extensions, is when (maybe after the fact, and FF has gone downhill?) I'd really be worried. As of now, most all of them support Edge, Chrome and FF, and a couple others, Brave (like Eset for one).
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I'm thinking there is not a news site I know of I even want to look at, that's why I take refuge on here
with 90% of media being controlled by 4 people with identical agenda; I think the idea of real news is dead.I'm thinking there is not a news site I know of I even want to look at, that's why I take refuge on here
This stress points will only multiply across other areas besides AI. We are just entering 2026, which is the Year of the Fire Horse, characterized by its "double fire element" aspect. The Fire Horse has a dual nature: capable of both chaos and groundbreaking progress. This will likely manifest in great cultural shifts, upheaval and possibly bold collective action, bringing either chaos or substantive progress in politics and geopolitics, market volatility and polarization. Other possibilities include innovation, courage and social awakening. The last Fire Horse Year was 1966 which saw upheaval in many places, e.g. The Cultural Revolution in China, unrest around the Vietnam War (sic: American War), political assassinations, coups, etc., etc. We're likely heading to a tipping point of some kind, for good or ill, but a definite tipping point nonetheless.The destruction through AI will occur by providing the wrong answer to a question; tweaking the answer just enough to seem plausible which in the end will cause wars via some doodoohead employing AI to draft an official government e-mail and fail to proofread it. This will cause an international incident which will snowball into an all out war. That's my prediction for the future and I am sticking to it.
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Only time will tell & I'm off to bed so take care you all !!!
I think you are seeing people paying for HEPA air filters across the globe now. AQI > 500 in some parts of the world. oops.
We are hearing "Firefox is on a deathbed", "Firefox is doomed" for decades and it's still around, regularly updated and developed.
Yes, Mozilla is dependent on Google, but Google also depends on Mozilla so it doesn't get fined because of lack of competition. Mozilla can't lose Google's funding, but Google also can't afford to stop financing Mozilla.
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