Clash of the Titans: "Kaspersky Lab" has filed a complaint against Microsoft

Sundaram999

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Kaspresky vs Windows Defender;)
Russian antivirus vendor Kaspersky Lab has asked antitrust regulators in various countries (including the European Union and Russia) to make Microsoft stop giving an unfair advantage to Windows Defender.

Microsoft is making it hard for independent virus vendors to compete with Windows Defender, Microsoft’s own antivirus application built-in to Windows 8 and Windows 10, according to founder of Kaspersky Lab, Eugene Kaspersky.

For example, when users upgraded to Windows 10, their own antivirus product was disabled and Windows Defender was enabled by default.

Another showcase of Microsoft’s way of making it harder to compete is that antivirus companies only received a week to make their antivirus software compatible with Windows 10. And even when the antivirus software was compatible, Windows Defender would be enabled nevertheless.

If Windows Defender was disabled (and other antivirus software was running) it would show a warning, asking the user to uninstall their antivirus software and to turn on Windows Defender. Kaspersky argues that many users would think, “well, it’s from Microsoft – the people who make the OS; must be good; no harm in turning it on for sure”.

Another complaint Kaspersky has is that Microsoft has limited the possibilities antivirus companies have to warn users that their license is about to expire. Microsoft only allows a warning in the Windows Security Center, which normally users hardly ever read. If the user doesn’t timely extend his license, the antivirus software is disabled and Windows Defender is activated.


Kaspersky also criticizes the fact that Microsoft has limited the number of virus scanners users can have on a single system. One antivirus application is normally allowed, except for Microsoft’s own Windows Defender. Even when another antivirus application is installed, Windows Defender will occasionally become active and again ask the user to turn on Windows Defender and uninstall other antivirus applications.

And all of it is not even beneficial to the user.

“Defender gives by far not the best experience, but a below average one in the market,” Kaspersky writes in a blog titled, ‘That’s It. I’ve Had Enough!’

He also has an idea what Microsoft is up to, “The trend is clear: Microsoft is gradually squeezing independent developers out of the Windows ecosystem if it has its own application for this or that purpose.”

Kaspersky goes on stating, “The company’s [Microsoft’s] intentions are easy to work out: (i) to try and get everyone to head over to the Windows Store; (ii) to levy an additional tax on independent developers; (iii) to strictly control who can do what; (iv) to suppress the competition with standardization and regulation; and (v) to further gradually take over the whole ecosystem – all to provide stable growth of profits. Put another way – to have a totalitarian/police-state platform in which there’s no place for independent developers or freedom of choice for users.”

Kaspersky Lab has therefore decided to take action, “We’ve taken the decision to address official bodies in various countries (including the EU and Russia) with a request to oblige Microsoft to cease its violation of anti-competition legislation and to remove the consequences of that violation.”

Article: Kaspersky Lab files complaint against Microsoft for giving unfair advantage to Windows Defender - Myce.com
 

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Why kasper does not start arguing with apple for iOS ?

MS owns Windows and can do what the hell he wants with Windows !

If kasper does not like Windows , move to Linux or develop its own OS with kasper built in


Go defender !
 
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Its true, Kaspersky 2016 was disabled by Windows 10 when I upgraded from 8.1. And not because it was incompatible

It is not the point : on MS Italian forum community , independent devolper / experts says that if you want to keep your third party AV , to successfully upgrade without SO problems / instability , you have to uninstall it / clean boot )

International Trade laws Prohibit anti-competitive behavior

They are wrong
 
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It is not the point : on MS Italian forum community , independent devolper / experts says that if you want to keep your third party AV , to successfully upgrade without SO problems / instability , you have to uninstall it / clean boot )
the is a legal case history for this, and it goes back to 2012. when the EU high court ruled that microsoft could not bundle internet explorer with copies of windows sold in the EU it had to offer users a browser choice. Microsoft could simply re-write the code for windows 10 to not install windows defender by default for copies sold in the EU and CIS, unless ticked during installation
 

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I don't understand: MS has tons of money and knowledge (and of course about all the undocumented system functions) and could design the best antivirus but instead it is not so.
Then the user must have the total ability to use third-party products without any problem!
 

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the is a legal case history for this, and it goes back to 2012. when the EU high court ruled that microsoft could not bundle internet explorer with copies of windows sold in the EU it had to offer users a browser choice. Microsoft could simply re-write the code for windows 10 to not install windows defender by default for copies sold in the EU and CIS, unless ticked during installation


Defender would be less effective .


I don't agree with those rules. Kasper don't like Windows -> move to to Linux .

And why nobody complain for iOS ??
 

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I don't understand: MS has tons of money and knowledge (and of course about all the undocumented system functions) and could design the best antivirus but instead it is not so.
Then the user must have the total ability to use third-party products without any problem!


I agree when you say MS should put more effort in defender .

But enterprise version has / will have more security tools built in ( someone posted an article days a go here )
 
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Just kill the S**t out of Defender, its easy.
That's one of the first things I knock in the head with a big stick.
Process Lasso can be used to keep it from ever starting if you
want to go that route too, its easier than crippling it like I do ;)
Just add Defenders exe to the disallowed process list and its toast.
 
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any program that is incompatible gets uninstalled when upgraded to windows 10, i don't think there is any problem with that behaviour. When there isn't any other antivirus installed, windows defender gets activated so that users are still protected which in my opinion is great thing. Also, when you install any other AV, windows defender gets deactivated automatically. Although, it does ask to turn on but it is for turning on periodic scanning, not for disabling third party AVs and enable windows defender. You can easily turned it off in settings.
 

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Does anyone wonder why other security companies are not complaining about the MS behavior?

Because they already knew that users have no problems during the installation and simple issues can be easily solve.

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Well I understand the sentiments for Kaspersky, but it seems they can talk to Microsoft instead way back before about those policy changes.
[except slow process of approval for Windows 10 certification]
 

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