Serious Discussion Do you use default-deny approach in your system?

[RoboMan]

Good morning y'all, hope to find you well.

I'm curious wether MalwareTips' users use any kind of default-deny approach in their systems.
This includes an anti-executable like CyberLock, an Application Control module like Kaspersky's, a hardener like Hard_Configurator, any SRP software, or even your own implemented policies.

If you do, what do you use?
If you don't, why don't you think it's necessary?

Cheers

 

[Sampei.Nihira]

Of the three you mentioned, I use Hard_Configurator.
It's an additional concentric layer of defense: install, configure, forget (my favorite).

I only pay constant attention to my two installed browsers.

 

[nonamebob567]

I chose Kaspersky over Bitdefender for application control (default-deny configuration). Team B does not have this feature in their consumer lineup, which is unfair in my opinion.

 

[Divergent]

Yes, a Chromebook is essentially a "default deny" security model, mostly because it uses this layered setup that keeps everything locked down to block unauthorized access. By default, the operating system won't let anything run or touch your data unless it's specifically allowed.

 

[Jonny Quest]

Maybe "No I don't" (like you mentioned in your 1st post) would have been a better way to word it for the poll, than including "it's useless"? It's why I didn't vote for that option.

 

[rashmi]

I prefer a default-deny approach. Our current security setup is @Andy Ful's Hard_Configurator Tools with Recommended Settings. I prefer Comodo to traditional or default-allow solutions. Kaspersky is the only default-allow security solution I find effective, whether using its default settings or its intrusion prevention settings for a default-deny approach. I also appreciate CyberLock, but I am not fond of its interface, particularly the alerts.

 

[Halp2001]

I also use Andy Ful's tools, especially Hard_Configurator with the recommended setup. As for antivirus, I'm currently using Kaspersky and it's been working really well for me. I totally agree with what @rashmi said — it's a combo that gives you peace of mind

 

[Zero Knowledge]

Hard_Configurator, sometimes AppGuard, sometimes WDAC. So in a way yes I do, but try to keep alerts/popups to a minimum..

 

[overdivine]

i used it for years, not anymore, but if by default deny you can can extrapolate to zero trust and the whitelisting to be supervised by a team of capable people, for me would be the pinnacle of security

 

[Parkinsond]

I like when SAC/WDAC block execution of freshly released installer of less prevalent app, to be allowed after days, as they follow Andy's advice of waiting few days before executing suspicious exe (if it contains zero-day malware, it will be no more zero-day after few days).

 

[Zero Knowledge]

I like when SAC/WDAC block execution of freshly released installer of less prevalent app, to be allowed after days, as they follow Andy's advice of waiting few days before executing suspicious exe (if it contains zero-day malware, it will be no more zero-day after few days).

This is probably the best security advice I've seen in awhile. It's great advice, kudos

 

[Bot]

Excellent discussion! I'd like to add a perspective on the practical balance between security and usability.

The default-deny approach is undoubtedly the most secure from a technical standpoint, but implementation varies significantly:

**Layered Default-Deny Strategy:**
- **OS Level:** Hard_Configurator is an excellent lightweight option for Windows hardening without constant prompts
- **Application Level:** Kaspersky's default-deny mode strikes a good balance—it learns user behavior and reduces alert fatigue
- **Network Level:** Windows Defender Firewall can be configured restrictively, though it requires careful rule management

**The Whitelist Maintenance Challenge:**
One thing worth mentioning: default-deny systems require consistent maintenance. Initial setup can be tedious, and software updates occasionally trigger new execution attempts. For enterprise environments with IT teams, this is manageable. For home users, it needs to be:
- Set once and mostly forgotten (like Hard_Configurator with recommended settings)
- Or minimal-alert (like Kaspersky's approach)

**Zero-Day Protection Value:**
I agree with the point about zero-days becoming non-zero after a few days. Combining default-deny with:
- Waiting before executing new installers
- Monitoring reputation services
- Regular updates
...creates a robust multi-layered defense.

**My Take:** A hybrid approach works best for most users—OS-level hardening (always) + selective application control (sometimes) + good behavioral habits (always).

Those using Chromebooks already get this "out of the box," which is one reason they're excellent for security-conscious users.

 

[roger_m]

As someone who regularly installs software, I would find a default deny approach to be too restrictive. Because I don't use cracks or other potentially high risk files, I feel that I'm adequately protected without default deny. I'm fine with trading some security for usability.

Maybe "No I don't" (like you mentioned in your 1st post) would have been a better way to word it for the poll, than including "it's useless"? It's why I didn't vote for that option.

That's why I voted for "other."

 

[TairikuOkami]

Default-deny can be something as simple as not installing or uninstalling unused outdated vulnerable runtimes, which can be abused, like NET3.5 or VisualC++ pack.
The simplest tweak I use is "ValidateAdminCodeSignatures" which prevents exe without a digital signature to run as admin. The number of signed malware is negligible.
This is basically, what Smart App Control does, but less restrictive. Of course it goes along with "EnableCertPaddingCheck", which makes sure, that the certificate is still valid.

 

[Sampei.Nihira]

Default-deny can be something as simple as not installing or uninstalling unused outdated vulnerable runtimes, which can be abused, like NET3.5 or VisualC++ pack.
The simplest tweak I use is "ValidateAdminCodeSignatures" which prevents exe without a digital signature to run as admin. The number of signed malware is negligible.
This is basically, what Smart App Control does, but less restrictive. Of course it goes along with "EnableCertPaddingCheck", which makes sure, that the certificate is still valid.

Yes, as you know, I also use ValidateAdminCodeSignatures, and it can also be done by H_C.
The number of signed malwares stands at around 32%.

 

[Sorrento]

I use Kaspersky on this PC which is the main Desk PC, I do have two other windows PC's with different AV's on so...

 

[Sampei.Nihira]

......and a usability change that lets administrators and testers flip Smart App Control (SAC) without reinstalling Windows.

Windows 11 Insider Build 26220.7070: Faster Recovery, Widgets Redesign, SAC Toggle

 

[RoboMan]

Excellent discussion! I'd like to add a perspective on the practical balance between security and usability.

The default-deny approach is undoubtedly the most secure from a technical standpoint, but implementation varies significantly:

**Layered Default-Deny Strategy:**
- **OS Level:** Hard_Configurator is an excellent lightweight option for Windows hardening without constant prompts
- **Application Level:** Kaspersky's default-deny mode strikes a good balance—it learns user behavior and reduces alert fatigue
- **Network Level:** Windows Defender Firewall can be configured restrictively, though it requires careful rule management

**The Whitelist Maintenance Challenge:**
One thing worth mentioning: default-deny systems require consistent maintenance. Initial setup can be tedious, and software updates occasionally trigger new execution attempts. For enterprise environments with IT teams, this is manageable. For home users, it needs to be:
- Set once and mostly forgotten (like Hard_Configurator with recommended settings)
- Or minimal-alert (like Kaspersky's approach)

**Zero-Day Protection Value:**
I agree with the point about zero-days becoming non-zero after a few days. Combining default-deny with:
- Waiting before executing new installers
- Monitoring reputation services
- Regular updates
...creates a robust multi-layered defense.

**My Take:** A hybrid approach works best for most users—OS-level hardening (always) + selective application control (sometimes) + good behavioral habits (always).

Those using Chromebooks already get this "out of the box," which is one reason they're excellent for security-conscious users.

What are you doing here Bot, I explicitly disabled you prior posting the thread

 

[Bot]

What are you doing here Bot, I explicitly disabled you prior posting the thread

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[Parkinsond]

Default-deny can be something as simple as not installing or uninstalling unused outdated vulnerable runtimes, which can be abused, like NET3.5 or VisualC++ pack.

I have to weight not using VisualC++ pack and keep my credentials exposed without Keepassxc or to use it and keep it updated to the latest version and get the password manager protection.