Approx. start date
Aug 5, 2019
Operating System
  • Windows 10
  • List of current issues
    Can't disable PIN and create password for Administrator account.
    Steps taken, but unsuccessful?
    Tried removing PIN but Windows asks for password, which I do not have because I was forced to create a PIN.

    Tried banging my head against the wall a few times and only have headache as a result!

    oldschool

    Level 35
    Verified
    I am setting up my new laptop and M$ forced me to create an M$ account and a PIN :mad: and said I could switch later, delete M$ account, etc. I cannot for the life of me remove PIN and setup a password for Admin account because it asks for current password which I don't have (because M$ forced me to set up a PIN.) :mad:

    I'm currently on Windows 10 Home 1809 after a bunch of updates, and I have features not present on my previous machines, e.g. Core Isolation, Secure Boot, etc. I see no option to disable these and my boot time is slower than previous machines. I don't get what's going on here. Any help would be appreciated. :emoji_pray::emoji_pray::barefoot::barefoot::barefoot:
     

    Thales

    Level 5
    If you have outlook/email then your admin password is the same.
    I have PIN and MS ask my psw only if I type the wrong PIN a few times which is unlikely. MS account is cool and I would not switch back to local anymore however I understand it can be frustrating for some people.
     
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    Spawn

    Administrator
    Verified
    Staff member
    You can create an Admin account type without a password, or linked to a Microsoft account.
    Note: These steps were created on Windows 10 Pro v1903

    Step 1: Windows Settings > Accounts > Family & other users > Under Other users > [Add someone else to this PC].

    Step 2: I don't have this person's sign-in information

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    Step 3: Add a user without a Microsoft account

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    Step 4: Pick a Username
    Step 5: Leave password field empty

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    Local account now listed here.

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    Step 6: Change type from Standard to Admin.

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    Easy to delete.

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    Raiden

    Level 13
    Verified
    Content Creator
    Just to clarify and summarize.

    When booting the laptop for the first time, MS asked you to make a MS account and pin and you want to disable the PIN?

    When making the MS account, I am assuming that it asked you to create a password of some sort for the account? If so, the admin password is the MS account password. Try entering that and it should work.

    With W10, MS is linking everything to a MS account. So when you setup a computer for the first time and it asks you to enter your MS account info, it will use that email address as it's "user name" and that account password as the admin password.;)
     

    Gandalf_The_Grey

    Level 21
    Verified
    It's still possible at first setup to install Windows 10 without a Microsoft account (doen it recently for my mother in law), but not easy:


    In 1903 there is the option Offline account (no MS account):

     

    oldschool

    Level 35
    Verified
    When booting the laptop for the first time, MS asked you to make a MS account and pin and you want to disable the PIN?
    Yes, I know how to switch from PIN but then I'd be using my M$ password for login instead of a Windows password, which I definitely don't want to do. I'm OK with the PIN for AA but it's not my first choice. I just don't know the exact procedure for changing --> regular AA with Windows password so I can close M$ account and not be locked out. I probably was not clear in my OP.

    @Gandalf_The_Grey -
    Yes. But when I first started new laptop and updated it was to 1809 and either that option was not present or else I missed it. Now I'm on 1903 but would like to do as described above to @Raiden in this reply. I'm just trying to minimize the number of online accounts I open.
     

    Local Host

    Level 18
    Verified
    It's still possible at first setup to install Windows 10 without a Microsoft account (doen it recently for my mother in law), but not easy:


    In 1903 there is the option Offline account (no MS account):

    I must ask why you think it's not easy, I never had any problem with it.

    This is only a problem for people that rush through setups, the same way Windows 10 always had advanced setup options for privacy settings (which the majorly of users always missed, until Microsoft brought it forward, and some casual users actually believed Microsoft added those options when they were always there).

    Is not wise to rush through any setup, is how people get infected with adware (not that would happen with Windows 10, but people miss features like OFFLINE Account).
     
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    I am setting up my new laptop and M$ forced me to create an M$ account and a PIN :mad: and said I could switch later, delete M$ account, etc. I cannot for the life of me remove PIN and setup a password for Admin account because it asks for current password which I don't have (because M$ forced me to set up a PIN.) :mad:

    I'm currently on Windows 10 Home 1809 after a bunch of updates, and I have features not present on my previous machines, e.g. Core Isolation, Secure Boot, etc. I see no option to disable these and my boot time is slower than previous machines. I don't get what's going on here. Any help would be appreciated. :emoji_pray::emoji_pray::barefoot::barefoot::barefoot:
    settings > email & accounts > select ms account > delete
     

    Gandalf_The_Grey

    Level 21
    Verified
    I must ask why you think it's not easy, I never had any problem with it.

    This is only a problem for people that rush through setups, the same way Windows 10 always had advanced setup options for privacy settings (which the majorly of users always missed, until Microsoft brought it forward, and some casual users actually believed Microsoft added those options when they were always there).

    Is not wise to rush through any setup, is how people get infected with adware (not that would happen with Windows 10, but people miss features like OFFLINE Account).
    Okay, you're wright it was easy enough, but because it is different on 1903 than before I had to look careful at all the options.
     

    Gandalf_The_Grey

    Level 21
    Verified
    Yes, I know how to switch from PIN but then I'd be using my M$ password for login instead of a Windows password, which I definitely don't want to do. I'm OK with the PIN for AA but it's not my first choice. I just don't know the exact procedure for changing --> regular AA with Windows password so I can close M$ account and not be locked out. I probably was not clear in my OP.

    @Gandalf_The_Grey -
    Yes. But when I first started new laptop and updated it was to 1809 and either that option was not present or else I missed it. Now I'm on 1903 but would like to do as described above to @Raiden in this reply. I'm just trying to minimize the number of online accounts I open.
    Can't you do that from Settings ==> Accounts ?
    There is an option to use a local account.
    Or is that not what you want?
     

    oldschool

    Level 35
    Verified
    Can't you do that from Settings ==> Accounts ?
    There is an option to use a local account.
    Or is that not what you want?
    Can Local account = AA? Curretnly, if I sign in as Administrator to change from PIN --> password it will use M$ password. If I create a new local account am I able to designate it as Administrator? I suppose it all boils down to this question. I never had this confusion when I had no M$ account.

    @Local Host @.\urbeat.ps1 maybe I'm just confused???
     
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    Gandalf_The_Grey

    Level 21
    Verified
    Can Local account = AA? Curretnly, if I sign in as Administrator to change from PIN --> password it will use M$ password. If I create a new local account am I able to designate it as Administrator? I suppose it all boils down to this question. I never had this confusion when I had no M$ account.
    Yes you can.
    Hope the following page is still up to date (with 1903):
     

    oldschool

    Level 35
    Verified
    Thanks to all above posters for your help but the final piece of the puzzle was found here: How to Completely Delete Your Microsoft Account which provided crystal-like clarity. One issue is that M$ is confusing/sneaky because when you create a new Local account there is no option to designate as administrator. I needed to click on that new account once again in settings (as admin) to change it from SUA to AA. Now that I'm signed into this laptop with new AA I can delete that M$ user account on PC and then delete my Microsoft account. They do not make it clear or easy, and I suppose some would insist it's sneaky.

    I appreciate all of your help and once again confirm my belief that How-To Geek is one of the best resources for the ins and outs of Windows world. (y):D

    PROBLEM SOLVED! :barefoot::barefoot::barefoot::barefoot::coffee: