Is MSE really that Bad??

[donetao]

Hi! The only way I can learn is by asking questions. I have only been a MT member since Sept. 2014
I think I have contributed a little to the forum. I want to learn more. I watch our Malware section and try hard to learn from the threads posted there.
Here's my question. I see all these virus tests being done by all these security programs. Which programs detected and which programs didn't detect. I have not seen where anyone tested with MSE to see if it would detect the malware.Why is that?? Am I missing some thing or is MSE a piece of crap. I run MSE and MBAM Pro and I can't remember ever getting infected, Could someone use these programs when testing for new malware. Sorry if my thread is confusing. I don't want to test my security for new malware, but I would like to see it tested if that is possible.
Thank you

 

[viktik]

MSE malware detection is very bad.

 

[Praxix]

I've had times where mse detected something that avg did not, and other time when avg did and mse didn't, so it's a mixed bag overall, it comes down to who does the most updates/keeps current, and typically companies whose product is mainly malware detection/removal typically outpace most others, plus the "stigma" that windows itself has, people will begrudgingly use windows (without switching to any number of other alternatives) but they'll bitch the whole while, and call it crap, all I think of is an older song called "every OS sucks"

 

[donetao]

MSE malware detection is very bad.

Thank you for your reply! Is that why it's not used by MT members when testing in the Virus Exchange forum!
Knock on wood! I have never been infected in the 3 years I have used MSE and MBAM Pro.
Thanks @viktik

 

[JakeXPMan]

Hi! The only way I can learn is by asking questions. I have only been a MT member since Sept. 2014
I think I have contributed a little to the forum. I want to learn more. I watch our Malware section and try hard to learn from the threads posted there.
Here's my question. I see all these virus tests being done by all these security programs. Which programs detected and which programs didn't detect. I have not seen where anyone tested with MSE to see if it would detect the malware.Why is that??

MSE 4.6 review by MT's user ... MalwareDoctor.

It does a poor job detecting malware. It's the worst of all the free AV's, well... Kompas or Zillya could be worse?

Just the other day my bro told me he found 89 malwares on his MSE protected PC (FOUND BY MALWAREBYTES), most wasn't harmful, but PUP's mostly... but still not good!

If you never gotten a problem using MSE, keep it, but do have a good scanner to make sure your PC's clean

 

[jamescv7]

MSE is based on purely signature with heuristics alongside, the thing makes only problem is when tested against zero day which expected that not all AV's can response very fast and mostly nearly missed.

On my personal view of using the MSE/ WD, it took care the viruses that primarily common and can easily encounter by the user. Of course it helps the common sense knowledge to avoid any risk may happen.

If you are in the cycle of surfing in MT, Facebook, Twitter, and searching in using search engines with clicking to known sites; chances are low infection rate.

 

[donetao]

Hi ! If you use your brain like @jamescv7 advises and MBAM Anti-Exploit IMHO, you will be OK. PUP's are getting to be the big thing these days.
MBAM Pro now detects PUP's and stops them before they install on your PC. Also MBAM Pro will also scan for Root Kits if you check that box!
I also have WOT ad-on on all my browsers. I don't think any paid or free version will protect you from zero day malware.
I always have on line scanners and at least 8 back up images virus free to restore with.
Thanks for all replies. That's the way I learn new things and pass them forward

 

[jackuars]

Let me rephrase your title, "Is MSE really that BAD" to

"MSE is not bad, it's no good."

What does it mean? If you're using safe surfing practices and know what you're really doing on the internet, installing softwares, connecting external drives, you should probably be still safe. So MSE is not bad in that respect.

But if you frequently download torrents, visit porn and other grey sites, connect drives that's been on multiple computers, click on a number of ads etc, MSE would be no good.

 

[donetao]

Hi @JakeXPMan I watched your video. I was not convinced that MSE and MBAM Pro running in real time were tested fairly
There was to much going on in the video and very confusing for this old man. Just saying that you're being disappointed in MSE isn't enough for me.. I'm not trained to test, so I'm not throwing rocks. I'm just saying this combination works fine for me. IMHO a Anti-Virus running in real time with MBAB Pro is all I need. And like @jamescv7 says, a little common sense will always help!

 

[donetao]

But if you frequently download torrents, visit porn and other grey sites, connect drives that's been on multiple computers, click on a number of ads etc, MSE would be no good.

Well I sure don't do any of those things.

 

[JakeXPMan]

Well I sure don't do any of those things.

If it ain't broke don't uninstall it

 

[donetao]

If it ain't broke don't uninstall it

Hi! Not sure what that means?? Are you talking porn or the other things. I'm really to dang old for porn and 6 months of chemo and being 76 took care of any porn that interests me. Don't click it if you don't want a ticket.

 

[donetao]

Hi One thing good about staying up late on MT is your thread stays active and you usually get lots of replies from bored MT members that also can't sleep. I know I'm off topic!
Good night!!

 

[omidomi]

Not "really bad!"
but not enough for security.
if you have good common sense MBAM+MSE is good choice,but another free av is better...

 

[donetao]

Not "really bad!"
but not enough for security.
if you have good common sense MBAM+MSE is good choice,but another free av is better...

Hi Thanks @omidomi for your reply! I'm hoping I have common sense. I'm sure there are better free av's, but until I'm infected with Malware that I can't get rid of, I'll be staying with what I have. So far I'm doing very well with MSE and MBAM Pro. I promise I'll be the first to let you know that my security let me down and I will be looking for a better security program.
The internet is becoming a cesspool and will only get worse. Some day nothing will be able to protect us.
Thanks for your reply!
PS I really like it when I'm drawing all this attention. Just kidding!

 

[nissimezra]

after years of using MSE I switch to 360IS.
MSE use to have 100% for non zero day and 90% of zero day.
for free AV and zero false\positive it was great choice.
now even for non zero day it has around 80% and less than 50% for zero.
MS just abandon MSE and from win8 its discontinue. now MSE become an improve win defender not MSE.

 

[donetao]

Thanks @nissimezra for your reply. I'm hoping that MBAM Anti-Exploit will make up the difference.

 

[donetao]

Where would all you bored MT members post your replies at night if donetao stopped making new threads.

PS I think I have created 33 threads. Registered Sept 7-2014. I have one reputation!

 

[Cats-4_Owners-2]

Where would all you bored MT members post your replies at night if donetao stopped making new threads.

PS I think I have created 33 threads. Registered Sept 7-2014. I have one reputation!

There are definitely some posts here that made me smile, chuckle, and laugh out loud, because there is so much truth in every one of them. I liked @jackuars play on words & rephrasing the title, and so many others too numerous to quote or name, so then I clicked "Like"!!

MSE, Windows Defender, & Windows Firewall. These were the AVs and firewall combinations on our Win 7 & 8.1 systems (..plus Avira free & Private Firewall on XP) approved by helpful members and staff when I'd first become a newbie member approx. 1 year ago!

1. Sensible browsing (meaning: avoid those click happy habits!)
2. Updating the latest security patches on both system & browsers.
   
3. Downloading (when you must) directly from trustworthy sites, and primarily the developer's.

I now look upon MSE & Defender just as the "E" signifies. It provides "Essential" protection, and I am happy using them (as needed) between carefully adopting whichever new AV with the outstanding reputation I'm fortunate enough to decide upon! Maybe, if I ever graduate to the high demanding rigors of professional formula or stock car raceing (...yeah, right!) our 7 1/2 year old Prius may then appear to handle poorly & insufficiently (literally driving me to grumble).
Likewise, as I've gained more experience, and an abundance of exemplary advice has dropped onto my lap to help make the best possible choices (many of which are free!) I've realized the subjective nature to what is good or considered best, and how we're navigating a constantly shifting medium with newer and more impressive methods which unavoidably allow each of us to become more jaded and discerning (actually picky) in our reactions to this pilgrimage for which is the "best" for us. In between my quests for what works well for my own needs, it remains a comforting relief as well as a gift to know, until I win the key for Kaspersky or Emsisoft & the Online Armor to accompany it, that I won't be going without an acceptable AV during the in between times. MSE, Defender, and additionally Avast! or 360 IS, substitute far better than I would have ever known if I hadn't stumbled upon this remarkable site we know and return to so often that is called Malware Tips.

 

[JakeXPMan]

Hi! Not sure what that means?? Are you talking porn or the other things. I'm really to dang old for porn and 6 months of chemo and being 76 took care of any porn that interests me. Don't click it if you don't want a ticket.

Hehe, no no, what I mean is if MSE ain't broke for you, no need to try to fix it with a new AV!

For Windows Vista up to 8 it's still an option to use MSE w/malwarebytes to help out. On an XP like mine, MSE is like a 1/2 star out of 5 and MBAM would have to do ALL the work pretty much.