Kaspersky beginning transition of U.S. users to UltraAV

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Dark Knight

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Seems to me it's Kaspersky's big departing F@$k You to the west for banning them.

If it were me and I used Kaspersky (which I do not) , I would just take the loss, uninstall it and move on to another reputable security solution. Why even risk it? Especially with where they are located and what is going on in that region , it's only a matter of time before the Russian government starts controlling their operations. Putin has painted himself into a corner and it's just a matter of time until he does something stupid.

Remember WWIII will not necessarily be conducted with bombs and guns , it will start with cyber warfare and what better way to do it than with "security software"
 
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I would agree with you except that sometimes you just want better performance. My computers all are noticeably slower with Defender than with what I'm using now. I wouldn't use something that makes my computer even slower than with Defender.

Also Defender is a major target for malware writers. Not too long ago we had malware that was designed to add itself to Defender's exception list and just run without any interference.

There is no need to buy the ultimate version of any solution. Most of the added services you probably already use a third party anyway. I'm yet to see any security solution that offers Parental Control as good as dedicated software for that, for instance.

So while I agree Defender offers more than adequate protection for the average user, I don't think it's throwing money down the drain to have a paid solution or that it's bad to use any of the other free solutions available. It depends on the situation
I second this and also lets not forget about support.

MD is the only solution that slows down when I browse my internal HDD which is full of setup files.
 

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Seems to me it's Kaspersky's big departing F@$k You to the west for banning them.

If it were me and I used Kaspersky (which I do not) , I would just take the loss and move on to another reputable security solution. Why even risk it? Especially with where they are located and what is going on in that region , it's only a matter of time before the Russian government starts controlling their operations.

Remember WWIII will not necessarily be conducted with bombs and guns , it will start with cyber warfare and what better way to do it with "security software"
The Ulta Group is a very well funded venture capital investment group. Eugene Kaspersky made a shrewd, very profitable deal with The Ulta Group. Eugene is a business person in the business of making money. This is not difficult to understand. Eugene has no under-handed motives in offering existing US consumers the option to move to UltaAV.
 

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Can't it be updated using VPN ?
Is MS also going to stop it from running on Windows?

I think if it can still be used on Windows then it will also be able to update.
The only situation where it can't be updated is if Kaspersky itself doesn't allow updates of the app that has been activated in the US.
 

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The Ulta Group is a very well funded venture capital investment group. Eugene Kaspersky made a shrewd, very profitable deal with The Ulta Group. Eugene is a business person in the business of making money. This is not difficult to understand. Eugene has no under-handed motives in offering existing US consumers the option to move to UltaAV.
If Eugene has no underhanded motives then why is he trying to circumvent U.S. laws to continue to make money off U.S. citizens after his product has been banned?

THAT in itself may be shrewd but is very underhanded. And if I was a betting man , I would say once the U.S. government gets wind of it, UltaAV which in their minds would just be a repackaging or rebranding of Kaspersky will be banned also.
 
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It's fascinating to see how many people just spend money on AV software when they literally have great and advanced one built into Windows for free. Guys, you do realize that you're paying for software that will just sit in the background and do exactly nothing?

It would make more sense to pay for web browser than for antivirus software. You're using your web browser every time you turn on your PC, antivirus doesn't do a thing for you. Most of you here are well educated about malware and security to know to recognize malicious websites/software. Why are you underestimating your knowledge? If well configured Windows Defender is more than enough for clueless users, than it's certainly good for you too.

If you think you're more protected by expensive commercial "ULTIMATE EXTRA SECURITY + VPN" solution, you aren't. Free product can and often have even better protection if they are configured properly.
I used to hate Windows Defender to the point I would just disable it entirely. Ever since I installed Windows 10, I gave Windows Defender a chance (again). And here we are now in 2024, I'm still using Defender with slightly modified settings. 0 issues whatsoever.

Antivirus software today is snake oil. Buying one is your money going down the drain.
If your talking about Windoze Defender its Crap IMO.
 

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I would agree with you except that sometimes you just want better performance. My computers all are noticeably slower with Defender than with what I'm using now. I wouldn't use something that makes my computer even slower than with Defender.
You can get better performance with Defender as well by changing maximum CPU usage and some other settings in Group Policy. Windows Defender is actually extremely customizable and you can change almost everything. It's just these settings are hidden for average users, but there is some software which would let users do this in user-friendly interface. :)
Also Defender is a major target for malware writers. Not too long ago we had malware that was designed to add itself to Defender's exception list and just run without any interference.
Might be true, and this is why it's important to keep Windows up-to-date. In any case, those kind of attacks are extremely rare and there's basically 0 chance of Defender getting hacked on your PC, even if you're not careful at all. Microsoft updates Defender components regularly to fix any found vulnerabilities.

It's also worth to keep in mind, the only way to infect the system is by running malicious files. If you never download suspicious files or just run them, your PC can't get infected. That is in case it's regularly patched.

There are a lot of strange malware samples in the world. But that doesn't mean they are widespread. Malware which completely destroys Windows installation exists, but realistically, how many of you had experience with it? No one. If someone did encounter it, it's most likely they specifically searched for it and not that they encountered it accidentally.
There is no need to buy the ultimate version of any solution. Most of the added services you probably already use a third party anyway. I'm yet to see any security solution that offers Parental Control as good as dedicated software for that, for instance.
You can get really good parental control for free as well by combining public DNS servers with parental control + some free parental control software. I'd even recommend setting your own DNS servers for that matter as you'll have much better control over it.
So while I agree Defender offers more than adequate protection for the average user, I don't think it's throwing money down the drain to have a paid solution or that it's bad to use any of the other free solutions available. It depends on the situation
I have nothing against people using free AV software. If they don't want to use Defender, sure, go ahead and use a free software. But paying for commercial AV software, spending money for a piece of software that will never do anything is something I just can't understand. The whole purpose of those commercial AV software is just upselling you the products that you don't really need. It's like when ISP constantly offers you TV package even though you never watch TV.
 

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I second this and also lets not forget about support.

MD is the only solution that slows down when I browse my internal HDD which is full of setup files.
This is why exceptions exist in all AV software. So they don't touch areas they don't need. Really no need for having AV software constantly scan the partition where you only save your own photo/video files. Also, check Group Policy. There are billion way there you can make MD less resource intensive. 😉
If your talking about Windoze Defender its Crap IMO.
It is if you don't know how to use it. If you ever entered Group Policy, you'd see that it's really advanced tool. Even more advanced than some of commercial software. Pair Defender with some other free security products and you have an excellent protection for FREE.

More money for food, drinks, or whatever you like.
 
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This is why exceptions exist in all AV software. So they don't touch areas they don't need. Really no need for having AV software constantly scan the partition where you only save your own photo/video files. Also, check Group Policy. There are billion way there you can make MD less resource intensive. 😉
MD clearly has a problem in cache. I have used many products and never experienced this issue.
 
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bazang

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If Eugene has no underhanded motives then why is he trying to circumvent U.S. laws to continue to make money off U.S. citizens after his product has been banned?

THAT in itself may be shrewd but is very underhanded. And if I was a betting man , I would say once the U.S. government gets wind of it, UltaAV which in their minds would just be a repackaging or rebranding of Kaspersky will be banned also.
The U.S. Government Kaspersky ban applies only to the sale of any Kaspersky security software.

The ban was never intended to and does NOT prevent Eugene Kaspersky from making money by any other means not involving the direct sale of his products. The ban does not specify economic sanctions or prohibitions against Eugene Kaspersky. He can conduct non-security software business or any other business at-will within the U.S. So he is not circumventing anything.

The Pango Group (Pango Holding Company) is the parent of The Ultra Group. Both are U.S.-based business entities. The U.S. Government is not going to step-in and block UltraAV.
 
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Just look at those charts. It's clearly better than Kaspersky :alien: :cool:
 
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cofer123

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At this point if I lived in the US I would simply move to any other AV rather than risk using this thing.

I clearly don't know the reasoning for Kaspersky to move its users to some unknown party. Just letting K die and have users find an alternative would be a much better approach, or suck it up and recommend their direct competitors as a gesture of good faith.
 
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