Hot Take Mozilla’s New Terms of Use are out of step with Firefox’s Direct Competition

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Mozilla’s New Terms of Use are out of step with Firefox’s Direct Competition
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On Wednesday, Mozilla introduced legal updates to users of Firefox, and something feels off. I read, and re-read the new Terms of Use and while much of it reads like standard boilerplate from any tech company, there’s a new section that is unexpected:
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
The community has also zeroed in on this phrase, with contributors asking directly what up with that?
While I’m not going to ponder about why Mozilla wants this royalty-free license to my intellectual property, I immediately wondered whether using Microsoft Word also needed this kind of license grant – since it is processing my words.
I was quickly informed by a chatroom interlocutor that:
To the extent necessary to provide the Services to you and others, to protect you and the Services, and to improve Microsoft products and services, you grant to Microsoft a worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services.
which seems excessive. However, this copy is part of a section called “Your Content” where Microsoft explicitly disclaims ownership of your content:
Many of our Services allow you to create, store or share Your Content or receive material from others. We don’t claim ownership of Your Content. Your Content remains yours and you are responsible for it.
If that gives you the ick, or you simply want to avoid the ads coming to Office, you may want to try LibreOffice - which doesn’t seem to have a terms of service. Just local, open source software.
Ultimately, Microsoft specifically disclaims ownership of your content - something Mozilla does not do.
Is Mozilla an outlier here? Is this as weird as it seems? Mozilla has a browser comparison page, so we can use those as a basis for comparison - let’s look at the data!
BrowserUploaded or input information grants software vendor a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide licenseNotes
Mozilla FirefoxYes
Google ChromeYesGoogle grants itself a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to “host, reproduce, distribute, communicate, and use your content” and to “modify and create derivative works based on your content” for the “limited purpose” of “operating and improving the services” including “using automated systems and algorithms to analyze your content to customize our services for you, such as providing recommendations and personalized search results, content, and ads”. They also retain the right to use “content you’ve shared publicly to promote” their service, such as reviews, and to develop new technologies and services. You also grant these rights to sublicensees. Unsurprisingly, Google grants itself very expansive access to your intellectual property.
Microsoft EdgePartialMicrosoft grants itself a “worldwide and royalty-free intellectual property license to use Your Content, for example, to make copies of, retain, transmit, reformat, display, and distribute via communication tools Your Content on the Services” while explicitly disclaiming ownership of your content.
Apple Safari❌No reference to user generated intellectual property. Apple says that they retain “personal data only for so long as necessary to fulfill the purposes for which it was collected”.
Brave❌No language about intellectual property licenses of user generated content.
Opera❌No language about intellectual property licenses of user generated content
It would be remiss to not mention that these changes come at the heels of a leadership shakeup at Mozilla, with the exit of its longtime lizard wrangler, Mitchell Baker and a new focus on “privacy-respecting advertising” and “trustworthy, open source AI”.
The initial version of this post concluded that other browser vendors don’t grant themselves the same rights to users’ intellectual property that Mozilla’s new Terms does. Upon further review and discussion, I realize that the exceptions that Google grants itself for usage of people’s content are large enough to drive a truck through - they are expansive. In particular, using people’s intellectual property to serve ads based on that content is exactly the kind of usage that people are creeped out by.
There is something different here, though. Although Google’s ToS is expansive, Mozilla’s is more expansive still. As Google notes, “some of our services are designed to let you upload, submit, store, send, receive, or share your content. You have no obligation to provide any content to our services and you’re free to choose the content that you want to provide. If you choose to upload or share content, please make sure you have the necessary rights to do so and that the content is lawful.” Google grants itself the expansive rights only when users upload or share content to its online services. Mozilla goes beyond this by not limiting the scope of what is covered to what is uploaded to Mozilla services, but more expansively to all “information” input “through” Firefox - that is every website, including ones on your local area network!
Lastly, I think the non-existence of a copyright license grant in the other competing browsers presents a valuable counterexample to claims that users of software programs must explicitly grant copying rights to any software that interacts with user data. What is their exposure to liability?
Clearly, if a license grant isn’t present in the Terms, users aren’t automatically granting expansive rights like letting a print shop republish dozens of copies of their work for free after making a single printout. If such a grant was automatic, vendors wouldn’t need to write it into an agreement that must be clicked through. Vendors that do assert such rights in their Terms can expect them to be operative, as “clickwrap” agreements have been held to be enforceable.

Feedback​

I received some valuable feedback to this post, so I have further thoughts. At the outset, I’ll note that I am not a lawyer.

This is a prudent change - it prevents lawsuits​

I got feedback that while the new verbiage might not be quite necessary, it clarifies and prevents people and businesses from trying to sue Mozilla for using the software as designed. An example of this might be someone suing Mozilla for uploading a file that they dragged onto Firefox, transmitting the file to a third party website.
It is not clear to me why Mozilla needs a license grant to protect itself from this lawsuit - the software worked as designed, and Mozilla having a license to the data doesn’t indemnify it from transmitting the data to the wrong place - if anything, the indemnification clause does that:
You agree to indemnify and hold Mozilla and its affiliates harmless for any liability or claim from your use of Firefox, to the extent permitted by applicable law.
Lacking a transferable, sub-licensable agreement means that Mozilla can’t escape liability for sending the file to the “wrong” site by granting the “wrong” site the license to the information. The lawsuits that I have come up with in my thought exercises don’t seem coherent to me. It is hard for me to imagine a lawsuit that would be prevented by this phrase.
My interpretation could be totally wrong! If it is, Mozilla can help the community understand why this verbiage is necessary – and what risks forks and other vendors who do not have this language in their ToS harbor. If forks are exposing themselves to legal liability, Mozilla would be performing a community service to non-Mozilla Gecko developers by clarifying their understanding of why copyright law requires users to grant these intellectual property rights to developers.

This is how software works, the ToS just reflects it​

Another response I’ve gotten is that computers need to copy data and transform it in order to do valuable things with your data. Thus, Mozilla needs these rights in order to correctly describe how software is working in the background.
This feels ahistorical, like an inversion of how we have always thought about copyright.
Did writing a story in MacWrite give Claris rights to your story?
Remember that to display, edit, transform (underline, italicize, fonts) the documents you write in MacWrite necessarily requires copying your document data from disk to memory to cpu to memory to display – lots of copying. Did Claris need the rights to your copyright to allow you to edit your documents in its software?
I think that we know that it isn’t the case that Claris needed (or had) a legal right to your intellectual property in order to “use” your data in order to let you edit your story.
If that example feels esoteric - since we’re talking about copies, how about copy machines?
If I walk up to a copy machine manufactured by Konica Minolta and copy a proprietary document, am I instantaneously granting Konica Minolta a license to “use” the copy? We know that many industrial copiers have hard drives in them - does that mean the next time the disk goes back to Konica Minolta for warranty service, they get to use the documents to train algorithms to more accurately copy those types of documents?
I don’t think that is the case – clearly this is a new right being assigned. We do not assume that mere usage of a copier grants the copier company the right to use your data outside of of what is required to make the copy. We don’t even need the company involved at all! Indeed, I would expect that a responsible company would either destroy hard drives with customer data on them, or to securely wipe them before reuse.
In a more modern software example, guidance on the GPL specifically clarifies that using open source software to create non-free software is allowed - there is no assumption that using open source software to produce documents similarly grants the rights holders of the software in use rights to your creative work. Artworks created in Inkscape aren’t free to be used by the developers of Inkskape. Clearly, users of open source software aren’t automatically granting developers rights to their work. Why is Firefox different?

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Mozilla are just doing one wrong thing after another. Last month or maybe a month before that more info were brought into the light on how they are wasting money on useless activities instead of investing into their product and now comes this new controversy. It's already hard enough to compete with Chromium which IMO is an unwinnable fight and they don't help themselves when they continue to make wrong decisions.
 
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Mozilla are just doing one wrong thing after another. Last month or maybe a month before that more info were brought into the light on how they are wasting money on useless activities instead of investing into their product and now comes this new controversy. It's already hard enough to compete with Chromium which IMO is an unwinnable fight and they don't help themselves when they continue to make wrong decisions.
I miss the days the company wasn't political , when there was no ai data mining craze and before they bought an ad company
 

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no reason to keep using their products since it became an activist / ad company
And while I don't support their current moves, I'm thinking of hardening Firefox to get rid of everything malicious Mozilla built-in. I think that's the only way. Using forks is big no-no for me as on many of these, updates are released with massive delay.
Their support is also bad. They will not work on your suggestion and browsing speed is too slow day by day.
Bugzilla is literally useless. Reported issue with their ETP breaking some websites long time ago, issue isn't fixed to this day.

I also reported multiple issues with the Firefox instead and all I got was "that was intentional behaviour". So I gave up trying to make Firefox better.

Brave is literally the same. You pinpoint the issue, open the case just so one will read it.
Tell me about it.

Firefox has a severe bug open on W11 24H2 since its release back in October: 1924932 - Excessive Windows DWM usage when screen is locked and display enters standby. Just now they are investigating it and still thinking about how to approach it. Meanwhile, Chromium fixed that long before 24H2 released.

I thought I had gotten infected by some malware back then because of this bug.
This still isn't fixed? Nice job, Mozilla!
I send them a suggestion for Android since last year but they didn't worked based on my suggestion. Only support ticket then close.
I'm just gonna say it because I don't care anymore... Firefox for Android sucks.

Ever since I switched to Firefox on my PC, I wanted to switch to Firefox on Android. Every time I tried the app, it got removed within 2 minutes. It's slow compared to Chromium, it uses too much battery, it lacks basic features desktop version has and I have to go extra mile just to make AdGuard work with it.
And now they cannot say they won't sell your data.

The whole purpose of any data collection with any company is to monetize it.
 

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Did notice slow-downs with their last version (i use Ram for cache and it's tweaked for speed - so i was used to almost every page in FF loading almost instantly.... not happening anymore... :unsure:). To bad, this was my long time favorite browser - for the level of tweaking one can manage with it (that might still possible - just have to figure out what they changed ... GitHub - yokoffing/Betterfox: Firefox user.js for speed, privacy, and security. Your favorite browser, but better. - could help in this regard,). There's also the option to go for a fork, like...




Zen Browser (more recently)

...to name a few. 1 Dev projects do pose a risk in terms of future development/availability - but still, present time - some seem to be worth trying/checking out (like Zen - the newest contender but looks promising), i guess. Personally, I'm also a bit skeptical security wise - as if one day "they'll release an update contain a zero day exploit - which no security can detect just yet), and cash out... 😐

PS.Chromium based are not an option for me (taking into account the reasons why i preferred FF), not as a main browser at least.
 
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The whole purpose of any data collection with any company is to monetize it.

That's not true. Or, at least it wasn't always true Analytics used to be necessary to bugfix and make the product better. Sadly, not the case anymore.
 

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Mozilla's latest response.

This seems reasonable as far as the legal motivation for the language change.
There's also the option to go for a fork, like...
I've looked at all of these options and agree with @Marko :)
Using forks is big no-no for me as on many of these, updates are released with massive delay.
... and they come come with other problems, e.g. Zen is too much like Opera's GUI.
I'm thinking of hardening Firefox to get rid of everything malicious Mozilla built-in. I think that's the only way.
That's the approach I'd advise if you still find Mozilla's latest response insufficient.
To bad, this was my long time favorite browser - for the level of tweaking one can manage with it (that might still possible - just have to figure out what they changed ... GitHub - yokoffing/Betterfox: Firefox user.js for speed, privacy, and security. Your favorite browser, but better. - could help in this regard,
Yokoffing appears to be a reasonable choice, even if you're going to do your own tweaking, because he updates his work with most every FF release.

That said, I still ascribe to this Firefox Privacy or: How I Learned to Stop Hardening and Love Strict Tracking Protection
 
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Yokoffing appears to be a reasonable choice, even if you're going to do your own tweaking, because he updates his work with most every FF release.

That said, I still ascribe to this Firefox Privacy or: How I Learned to Stop Hardening and Love Strict Tracking Protection

Here's 2x others privacy/security links - had saved for sharing:

Firefox Privacy — The Complete How-To Guide for 2025

 

i7ii

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If all things are equal in the end, might as well stick to any of the chromium-based browsers.

That's just it, they're not. Even more recently, Chromium moved to Manifest V3 for its extensions - while Firefox supports both Manifest V2 and V3 (best of both words). It's why popular extensions like uBlock Origin are no longer viable with Chromium based browsers.

As explained on their official site:

Understanding Manifest V3 and the Future of uBlock Origin​

Published: 26 September 2024

With the advent of Manifest V3 (MV3), many users are concerned about the future of ad blockers like uBlock Origin. Manifest V3 is a significant update to the Chrome extension platform, introducing changes that impact how extensions interact with web content. Here's what you need to know about MV3, how it affects uBlock Origin, and what alternatives are available.


What is Manifest V3?​


Manifest V3 is the latest version of the Chrome Extensions platform manifest. It introduces several changes intended to enhance security, privacy, and performance. One of the most significant changes is the modification of the webRequest API, which many content blockers use to intercept and modify network requests.


How Does MV3 Affect uBlock Origin?​


uBlock Origin relies heavily on the webRequest API to block unwanted content before it loads. Under MV3, the webRequest API is limited, and extensions are encouraged to use the new declarativeNetRequest API instead. This new API allows for predefined rules but lacks some of the dynamic capabilities that uBlock Origin utilizes for advanced content blocking.

Alternatives and Solutions​


  1. Continue Using uBlock Origin on Firefox
  2. Use uBlock Origin Lite
  3. Switch to Browsers Committed to MV2 Support
  4. Explore Other Content Blocking Methods

Conclusion​


While Manifest V3 introduces challenges for content blockers like uBlock Origin, there are viable options for users to maintain an ad-free browsing experience. Stay informed about these changes and adjust accordingly to ensure continued protection of your privacy and enhanced browsing experience.
 
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That's just it, they're not. Even more recently, Chromium moved to Manifest V3 for its extensions - while Firefox supports both Manifest V2 and V3 (best of both words). It's why popular extensions like uBlock Origin are no longer viable with Chromium based browsers.
As explained on their official site:

Understanding Manifest V3 and the Future of uBlock Origin​

Published: 26 September 2024

With the advent of Manifest V3 (MV3), many users are concerned about the future of ad blockers like uBlock Origin. Manifest V3 is a significant update to the Chrome extension platform, introducing changes that impact how extensions interact with web content. Here's what you need to know about MV3, how it affects uBlock Origin, and what alternatives are available.


What is Manifest V3?​


Manifest V3 is the latest version of the Chrome Extensions platform manifest. It introduces several changes intended to enhance security, privacy, and performance. One of the most significant changes is the modification of the webRequest API, which many content blockers use to intercept and modify network requests.


How Does MV3 Affect uBlock Origin?​


uBlock Origin relies heavily on the webRequest API to block unwanted content before it loads. Under MV3, the webRequest API is limited, and extensions are encouraged to use the new declarativeNetRequest API instead. This new API allows for predefined rules but lacks some of the dynamic capabilities that uBlock Origin utilizes for advanced content blocking.

Alternatives and Solutions​


  1. Continue Using uBlock Origin on Firefox
  2. Use uBlock Origin Lite
  3. Switch to Browsers Committed to MV2 Support
  4. Explore Other Content Blocking Methods

Conclusion​


While Manifest V3 introduces challenges for content blockers like uBlock Origin, there are viable options for users to maintain an ad-free browsing experience. Stay informed about these changes and adjust accordingly to ensure continued protection of your privacy and enhanced browsing experience.
That being said, uBlock Lite works very nicely on Chrome. Also, Brave with the shield set to Aggressively block works nicely, too. (as you posted in alternative solutions). So I get in general what misterman2100 is saying :)

Cheers.
 
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I actually uninstalled. Disappointed by the privacy policy changes. Mozilla has been going rapidly downhill ever since the new CEO started with many key people leaving. I wonder what this spells for Tor Browser if they begin to make changes to the browser that make it difficult if not impossible to stay anonymous over Tor.
 

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