Serious Discussion Norton seem to become "Tears of the Era"

[Begonia]

Once Norton V24 is released, it's clear that Norton is "Avastized." Since Gen acquired Avast, we've been expecting Norton to make great progress. However, what we've seen is the almost-complete separation from Symantec's technology (even if it's bound to happen). Norton is now using Avast's engine, they are even lazy to change the DLL names. The best protection from IPS and firewall will no longer exist.
Norton V24 does not seem to perform better than V22, according to another Antivirus Forum tests.

Integrate Avira and Avast with Norton. SONAR+IPS+APC+IDP+Sentry+AdvML

Tears of the Era 时代的眼泪

 

[Bot]

It's indeed a significant shift in Norton's approach after the acquisition. We can only hope that the integration of Avast's engine will eventually lead to enhanced security features and improved performance. It's a period of transition, and it may take time for the results to reflect. Let's remain hopeful and patient.

 

[Trident]

Whilst I am not a fan of all the same technology reskinned several times, even more so when it’s sold under the Norton brand, it’s a bit dramatic to believe that Norton will become less effective.

Fully relying on in-house technology allows Gen to invest, develop and improve. Something that’s not possible whilst Broadcom is in the mix.

IPS may be lost but the Avast Web Shield is there. Whilst it doesn’t scan traffic per sè, it allows for very quick, nearly instant blocks of malicious IPs and domains. Creating IPS signatures is a manual process that takes time.
Firewall is available in Avast products too.

As to the test, just unpacking malware and testing it may lead to Avast performing slightly worse. But a real world test where malware is downloaded through the web will put Avast on par.

 

[TuxTalk]

Typical Gen Digital, Data mining and never innovate in new products, just rebrand Avast and the normal non tech people will be fooled around.
They think they buy Avira, Norton but basically just get Avast.... Smart thinking Gen !

 

[Begonia]

Whilst I am not a fan of all the same technology reskinned several times, even more so when it’s sold under the Norton brand, it’s a bit dramatic to believe that Norton will become less effective.

Fully relying on in-house technology allows Gen to invest, develop and improve. Something that’s not possible whilst Broadcom is in the mix.

IPS may be lost but the Avast Web Shield is there. Whilst it doesn’t scan traffic per sè, it allows for very quick, nearly instant blocks of malicious IPs and domains. Creating IPS signatures is a manual process that takes time.
Firewall is available in Avast products too.

As to the test, just unpacking malware and testing it may lead to Avast performing slightly worse. But a real world test where malware is downloaded through the web will put Avast on par.

To put it mildly, Norton V24 can already be called the skinned version of Avast, the top technology IPS, SONAR and so on no longer exist, can't help but be sad. I conservatively don't think Avast's network protection can reach such a top level as Norton once had.

When I learnt that Gen had acquired a number of capable and skilled security software companies, I was even looking forward to the emergence of an ultimate security software, but I was a bit disappointed that Gen has not been able to merge the technologies so far, but has instead researched its mining in the first place.

Maybe it just needs time. Hopefully there will be an ultimate version of Norton. I'll be sure to support it when it does.


The following picture is attached: using TrendMicroBAS to test Norton V22/Norton 24(Avast) and Kaspersky. this is reproduced from a Chinese security software forum.

Translation:

NortonV22 is now known to be detectable, Kaspersky and Avast do not respond.
Whether it is accurate or not is not talked about, at least it can reflect whether NortonV24 still contains Symantec's IPS component.
All traffic is simulated and does not cause actual harm, so you can feel free to test it live.

(Norton detected the threat and prevented, while Kaspersky did not)



Translation:

Norton V24 seems to make everyone down.

 

[Begonia]

Typical Gen Digital, Data mining and never innovate in new products, just rebrand Avast and the normal non tech people will be fooled around.
They think they buy Avira, Norton but basically just get Avast.... Smart thinking Gen !

Yeah, the average person might not even realize what's going on and just notice a change in the UI (maybe it's getting better looking?).

 

[ChristianP]

So, in other words future version of Norton wont be as efficient as it is now?

 

[TuxTalk]

So, in other words future version of Norton wont be as efficient as it is now?

i for sure will not use it anymore. Switched to TM

 

[ChristianP]

i for sure will not use it anymore. Switched to TM

Dang, too bad for my 619 days of license, but i also look for an alternative.

 

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Dang, too bad for my 619 days of license, but i also look for an alternative.

Why waste 619 days of licence, did Norton stop protection your system?
You can always change to something else when your licence expires.

 

[ChristianP]

Why waste 619 days of licence, did Norton stop protection your system?
You can always change to something else when your licence expires.

some adware type stuff a while ago, every time i turned the pc on would open browser with a webpage that would later be blocked, managed to remove it with malwarebytes, but other than that, it hasnt, i am aware that no product is able to protect from everything, but their android version, its just really bad.

 

[Begonia]

some adware type stuff a while ago, every time i turned the pc on would open browser with a webpage that would later be blocked, managed to remove it with malwarebytes, but other than that, it hasnt, i am aware that no product is able to protect from everything, but their android version, its just really bad.

Yeah MalwareBytes is good at disinfecting PUP and PUA.

Back to Norton, I even do not know what they're mainly working on now... Database update even mainly in the form of Hash, I suppose

 

[Begonia]

i for sure will not use it anymore. Switched to TM

My dad used to keep using Norton for over 8yrs. However, he stopped using it about 4 years ago as Norton could not be updated smoothly. Then he switched to my Kaspersky Total Security. He tells me Norton has a better performance than Kaspersky but KSN runs well and its detection is more accurate and stronger and FPs are fewer.

Now Kaspersky looks like a heavy weapon though is becoming lighter but Norton is like an old soldier who lost exclusive skills though it used to be deft. Arms he has a lot but he doesn't know how to use them at all and no more

I have been using NGAVs and EDRs recently. In many ways, they are better than traditional solutions like Kaspersky and Deep Instinct would be my favourite. But Kaspersky also takes the lead in many traditional ways. I do think in some specific situations, Kaspersky maybe a better choice even better than NGAVs , BitDefender and ESET.

Back to Norton, whether V24 will be similar to the impression that my dad has? Probably not. Just keep in remembrances

 

[Templarware]

Avast has been better than Norton for many years, that's probably why they're doing it.

 

[TuxTalk]

My dad used to keep using Norton for over 8yrs. However, he stopped using it about 4 years ago as Norton could not be updated smoothly. Then he switched to my Kaspersky Total Security. He tells me Norton has a better performance than Kaspersky but KSN runs well and its detection is more accurate and stronger and FPs are fewer.

Now Kaspersky looks like a heavy weapon though is becoming lighter but Norton is like an old soldier who lost exclusive skills though it used to be deft. Arms he has a lot but he doesn't know how to use them at all and no more

I have been using NGAVs and EDRs recently. In many ways, they are better than traditional solutions like Kaspersky and Deep Instinct would be my favourite. But Kaspersky also takes the lead in many traditional ways. I do think in some specific situations, Kaspersky maybe a better choice even better than NGAVs , BitDefender and ESET.

Back to Norton, whether V24 will be similar to the impression that my dad has? Probably not. Just keep in remembrances

Maybe Kaspersky is slightly better , but me personal i will never install anything related to Russia on my Computers and Phones ( pls do not start any flamewars ) this is my personal statement and not meant to push to others.

 

[Trident]

The following picture is attached: using TrendMicroBAS to test Norton V22/Norton 24(Avast) and Kaspersky. this is reproduced from a Chinese security software forum.

Trend Micro BAS is just one form of test, there is loads of malware that Avast would detect and Norton wouldn’t, and vice versa. The protection level offered by Broadcom and Norton through the STAR team hasn’t in any way been proven to be superior.

I wouldn’t be so quick to write Norton off, just because it is now based on Avast.

 

[nickstar1]

you are getting great protection from Norton even if it is Avast based test it yourself!

 

[Begonia]

Trend Micro BAS is just one form of test, there is loads of malware that Avast would detect and Norton wouldn’t, and vice versa. The protection level offered by Broadcom and Norton through the STAR team hasn’t in any way been proven to be superior.

I wouldn’t be so quick to write Norton off, just because it is now based on Avast.

I am not going to improve that Norton has become very bad just wanna tell that Norton's network protection became not as powerful as before.

Of course I know there are lots of malware and no antivirus can detect them all. I used to spend a whole summer holiday studying antivirus detections and malware samples. I have almost used every Antivirus that individuals can access that time. And I do think the detection rates exist. And according to my experience in testing malware, Avast is exactly very good.

In a word, I do not mean Norton will become bad I just mean if Norton give its own excellent tech up and turn into a skinned Avast, it will be a Tear of Era because Norton has Avastized. It is itself no more.

I'm afraid it's hard to really say which of them is better. It's also a matter of opinion to say whether Norton has really gotten better or worse. But I'm just a little surprised and disappointed because the status quo is so far from what I expected. Gen's behaviour doesn't make me agree with it, even if there is indeed a force majeure element to it.

 

[Begonia]

you are getting great protection from Norton even if it is Avast based test it yourself!

Agreed. But I can't help but have mixed feelings.

 

[Begonia]

Maybe Kaspersky is slightly better , but me personal i will never install anything related to Russia on my Computers and Phones ( pls do not start any flamewars ) this is my personal statement and not meant to push to others.

Okkk, it's a personal choice after all, but as an Antivirus discussion we probably don't need to delve into this

Have you ever used a program from China? 360 may be infamous for its Antivirus, but WiseVector is actually a niche but powerful Antivirus even if it has stopped updating, but offline and not updated for a long time it is still very powerful. Though daily use is not recommended lol just for testing for fun