New Update Skiff is shutting down [U: Acquired by Notion]

Cleo · Feb 12, 2024

MuzzMelbourne said:
...Boom...

Wow, thanks. Well I'm not interested in free service's, prefer FOSS products, must have a Linux desktop client and at least some sort of recent audit trail. Should cut the list a bit.

I'll checkout the products you mentioned. Really the only one that interest's me is Swisscows, but I am a little suspicious abouit their 'ethics' stand on search-engine moderation. I mean, I understand it, but who's ethics...? A little too 'Big Brother' for mine...

Also, the ability to pay with Monero with zero KYC is a nice feature with Tuta. Tuta is the only one I can find. Proton run a .onion portal, but its still heavily KYC and only accepts USD, CHF or EUR via CC.

I didn't think of it before as the web page still looks like it's 2005 but Countermail is still around. They accept bitcoin. Trilightzone is still around too. They accept several cryptos and I had a VPN subscription with them which I rate better than most. Countermail and Trilightzone are both about $50/y.

Zero Knowledge · Feb 12, 2024

Cleo said:
I didn't think of it before as the web page still looks like it's 2005 but Countermail is still around. They accept bitcoin. Trilightzone is still around too. They accept several cryptos and I had a VPN subscription with them which I rate better than most. Countermail and Trilightzone are both about $50/y.

Countermail is a OG provider and I still rate it. I remember back in the naughties when Countermail and Mullvad first appeared, SWE services providers were all the rage, everything changes though. The problem back in the day, Countermail forced users to use Java Plugin to access the webmail. Now it's different but you can't even get a free account without an invite code and even with an invite code you get 7 day trial unless you pay.

Out of all those listed I would rate Tuta.com #1, Posteo.de #2 and Riseup.net #3.

Muzz it doesn't matter what email provider you use if you use PGP to encrypt email you won't have a problem and could use Gmail for email duties. Problem is 99% of people do not use PGP and couldn't use it correctly if they tried (including myself! at times I struggled with it in the past) . But you probably know this already! I would avoid services that force you to provide your private key to encrypt and decrypt email/messages. But that's just me. Chain of trust is easier with yourself only having access to private key's rather than multiple people/services, BUT and it's a big but you never know what exploits/vuln's/side channel exploits/breaches are discovered in the future so take care.

MuzzMelbourne · Feb 12, 2024

Cheers ZK,

It's as much about keeping my stuff out of Australia(5 Eyes) as anything. Any really private stuff I can(never had the need to) use TOR based things or Session I guess.

I have a couple of private domains as well, so the ability host those mail service's as part of my subs is a bonus.

I'm also looking for stability and a long-term vision.