Hot Take Wary of US surveillance? Try these European alternatives to Big Tech

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How we use the internet is largely shaped by a handful of US-based tech giants — Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and Meta in particular. While they may make life more convenient, that convenience comes at a cost: your privacy. Their apps collect vast amounts of personal data, using it to refine algorithms, target ads, and — when required — even share that data with governments and law enforcement.
There are tools, however, that let you take back that control. If you want to use the internet without giving up your most sensitive, valuable data, many European services offer a privacy-forward alternative.

Privacy-focused European alternatives​

As governments expand their reach, often with the help of Big Tech, control over our lives online is at risk of slipping away. But you are not powerless. You can still choose services that put privacy first — where your messages, files, and personal details aren’t collected, stored, or shared.
 

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I don't like Proton and their services. First of all, they had scandals with data being disclosed to authorities which is kind of a big deal when you're playing on privacy card. Second, their services are literal bait. They tend to offer everything for free or cheap, and then gradually remove features from free/cheap plans and move them to more expensive plans.

So... no thank you!

The only worthy European alternative to Google services is Infomaniak's my kSuite. You get free e-mail without any ads or trackers, with 20 GB of storage and additional 15 GB of storage on their cloud service kDrive. The only downside... their free services aren't available everywhere, only in selected EU countries (mine missing from the list).
 
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I don't like Proton and their services. First of all, they had scandals with data being disclosed to authorities which is kind of a big deal when you're playing on privacy card.
"Privacy" does NOT mean "We will not cooperate with lawful law enforcement and national security service requests."

It is ludicrous that anybody out there in the world expects ANY company to protect users when a lawful request is made. That is not providing "Privacy." That is disobeying the rule of law and imperiling the company with prosecution and failure. Not only can the company be prosecuted - across the entirety of Europe and North America - but also the individual executives - should any government choose to prosecute.

Every single one of these companies will cooperate with their national and local law enforcement agencies and security services when the request is a legitimate investigation. Not one of them is any different than any U.S.-based company. The U.K., in fact, is one of the most surveillance-heavy nations in the world with a long history of compelling companies to cooperate - by threatening to imprison the company owners and/or executives.

No company executive or company owner is going to risk their companies for the sake of providing "Privacy." Privacy does not mean violating laws - which so many people on this forum and outside of it expect companies to do - break the law to protect them. That is the kind of stuff that will eventually lead to all unbreakable encryption from being made illegal across the globe, eventually, and there's nothing nobody can do about it except stop using any digital devices. Go live in the woods and live off berries and rabbits.
 

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I don't like Proton and their services. First of all, they had scandals with data being disclosed to authorities which is kind of a big deal when you're playing on privacy card. Second, their services are literal bait. They tend to offer everything for free or cheap, and then gradually remove features from free/cheap plans and move them to more expensive plans.

So... no thank you!

The only worthy European alternative to Google services is Infomaniak's my kSuite. You get free e-mail without any ads or trackers, with 20 GB of storage and additional 15 GB of storage on their cloud service kDrive. The only downside... their free services aren't available everywhere, only in selected EU countries (mine missing from the list).
Yeap and I didn't like their recent owner's very right leaning stance but alas that's just me.

As for privacy I practice very secure private life that no one can even locate me via those people search services even though I live in the US, come on just try. I am Hunter Biden.

Besides if a nation state like US is coming after you then you got bigger problems. Anyhow, people invest $$$$$$ for layers and layers of privacy/security etc, make their life very inconvenient in order to keep all of their PII close hold; and then they give all up for a free T-shirt.

And all of those "alternatives" to American companies, I present to you, your freedom of choice (but now replace it with IT companies).
 

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"Privacy" does NOT mean "We will not cooperate with lawful law enforcement and national security service requests."

It is ludicrous that anybody out there in the world expects ANY company to protect users when a lawful request is made. That is not providing "Privacy." That is disobeying the rule of law and imperiling the company with prosecution and failure. Not only can the company be prosecuted - across the entirety of Europe and North America - but also the individual executives - should any government choose to prosecute.
In one of your previous posts, you explicitly mentioned that companies can protect their users and fight authorities (unless the claim was based in the name of national security). In those cases, where Proton gave authorities personal data of users, national security wasn't even in the question. It was just a typical court order which they can easily fight like Apple and Cloudflare do.

They claim they are a privacy company and brag how they keep no logs, then court order comes and suddenly they have the data and pass it to the court.

The real privacy company would fight in court.
 
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In one of your previous posts, you explicitly mentioned that companies can protect their users and fight authorities (unless the claim was based in the name of national security). In those cases, where Proton gave authorities personal data of users, national security wasn't even in the question. It was just a typical court order which they can easily fight like Apple and Cloudflare do.

They claim they are a privacy company and brag how they keep no logs, then court order comes and suddenly they have the data and pass it to the court.

The real privacy company would fight in court.
A company cannot "fight" a court order, in the same sense as defending themselves against charges in court. The burden of proof is on the company to prove its innocence or that the court order is invalid. However, most companies don't do that - because they have no intention of cooperating in the first place - which is contempt. They must comply. If they do not comply, then they can be found in contempt of court. If found in contempt, anything from serious fines to the imprisonment of a executives can happen. It is up to the judge to decide, based upon the arguments and pressure applied by plaintiff's counsel or prosecutors. There is no such thing as anybody or any company "fighting a court order" when there is clear evidence or probable cause to support the judge's decision to issue the court order.

There are two types of contempt: civil and criminal.

It is up to the prosecutor or plaintiff to decide if they want to spend the time, effort, and money to pursue further sanctions against anybody or any company that does not cooperate with a court order. To go through the process - which can be very expensive - to ultimately get the judge to severely punish the entity that ignores or does not cooperate. This is how it works in the U.S. and all British Commonwealth nations, and generally in all European, Australian, and Japanese legal systems. The court order cooperation process is very generous and allows the party required to comply with the court order many opportunities to do so. Where the system fails in many nations is that the plaintiff or the prosecutors just allow the party in contempt to get away with it. It isn't non-enforcement. It is non-pursuit.

Providing "privacy" does not mean breaking laws to protect user data. Proton has always been presented with legal requests for user data issued by the Swiss legal systems (judges) or completely legitimate legal investigative requests made by the Swiss government, its security services, or Swiss federal or local law enforcement.

There has never been a "fishing expedition" request made to ANY VPN in the world. They have all been legal and above board, created and submitted properly through national legal systems. It is not the duty of any company to violate any law or ignore any court order or other legal request "to protect users." Nor will any company owner or executive spend millions of Euros to safeguard "User Privacy."

"Privacy" that is marketed by any company is notional and never meant, intended, or designed to risk or imperil the company itself or its employees. "Privacy" marketed by companies does not mean that they will go to any lengths to keep any user anonymous, nor should any user ever expect them to.

You are just one of those types of people that thinks you should be able to steal content, pirate software, and expect companies to not cooperate with law enforcement when it makes a request to unmask you for your criminal activities. You've publicly stated as much multiple times here on this forum.

What you want VPNs and other companies to do is the type of under-handed activities of services offered on the Dark Web - of being unwilling to cooperate with lawful requests of user data. A lawful request is a lawful request. It does not matter if you disagree with it. If you are law-abiding, then you comply. If you do not comply, then you're a criminal.
 

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