Question What av to take?

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I am not a gamer, but my PC is running as smooth as it was with K free inspite of applying WDAC with MD (and 3 ASR rules) plus WFC.
The Windows Security is like Comodo (as per CruelaSister explanations). The less you tweak and poke around, the better it behaves and performs. There are no more than 5-6 ASR rules that need enabling. The Windows Firewall is OK without any tweaks, there is a handful of executables that can be blocked.

The rest (hardeners, softeners and all that) is not needed.

They may be produced by people that theoretically understand the attack surface but they’ve got no telemetry how much this surface is a problem for home users.
 
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McAfee, ESET, and Microsoft Defender are also the lightest on my system, in that order. I do some minor gaming, nothing crazy. Kaspersky likewise gave me a smooth, stable experience for years—it's not far off for lightness and provides excellent security.

McAfee is one of the very cheapest third party antiviruses if you find the right reseller.
Which I did as far as a McAfee reseller, at least it was very affordable from a company I've used in the past, Best Buy.

When I had my business PC's I found ESET and Kaspersky to be excellent as far as no system impact. I was running a CAD software which always ran smoother with one of those two on it. No CAD hesitations I would have at times with Defender (even with the folders added into exclusions). I also had a Dropbox folder with about 15-20 accounts and their photos I or they took (inter oral) and Defender was always slower in populating the main Dropbox folder, as well as the individual folders with the 50 - 250 patient folders. Unfortunately, I wasn't using McAfee at the time to know how that would have worked, but it seems very quiet, no impact on my two notebooks I have it installed on.
 
And Microsoft Defender didn’t have vulnerabilities historically?
Google these:
CVE-2025-10035
CVE-2025-53808
CVE-2025-54104
CVE-2025-54109
CVE-2025-54915
CVE-2024-21322
CVE-2024-21323
CVE-2024-29053
CVE-2025-26684
CVE-2024-20671

Or issues
1. High CPU and Disk Usage (MsMpEng.exe)


The "Antimalware Service Executable" (MsMpEng.exe) is notorious for consuming significant system resources. This is often because the process is scanning itself or running a particularly intensive scan.


• Dell Support Article: This official Dell support page directly addresses the issue of MsMpEng.exe causing 100% hard drive and CPU usage. It explains that the cause is often the scan getting stuck on certain files and provides multiple solutions, such as excluding the Defender folder from its own scans or setting CPU affinity.


How To Resolve High hard drive and CPU Usage with Windows Defender Scans


• Technical How-To Guide: This article from freeCodeCamp explains what the MsMpEng.exe process is and why it can lead to high resource consumption, validating the common user experience of system slowdowns.


What is msmpeng.exe? Why is it High CPU Disk Usage?


2. False Positives Flagging Legitimate Software


Defender has a history of incorrectly identifying safe and legitimate files as malicious, a "false positive." This can disrupt workflows by quarantining necessary application files or even system components.


• Microsoft's Own Documentation: This page from Microsoft Learn is dedicated to addressing false positives within Defender for Endpoint. It acknowledges that these events occur and provides administrators with the steps to classify and suppress incorrect alerts.


Address false positives/negatives in Microsoft Defender for Endpoint


• Reddit Discussion (Sysadmin): This recent thread on the r/sysadmin subreddit shows a real-world example where multiple IT professionals experienced a wave of false positives from Microsoft Defender for Office, where it began flagging legitimate URLs as malicious, causing widespread issues.


Microsoft Defender for office: A potentially malicious URL click was detected - Since an hour we receive a lot of False positives!


3. Faulty Security Intelligence Updates


The very updates designed to keep Defender effective can sometimes be the source of the problem, either by failing to install correctly or by introducing instability.


• Troubleshooting Guide: This article details common causes for "Security Intelligence Update Failed" errors, including corrupted system files and issues with the Windows Update service, confirming that update failures are a recognized problem.


Security Intelligence Update For Windows Defender Antivirus Failed


• Microsoft Learn Troubleshooting Page: This official Microsoft document provides solutions for when Defender's security intelligence fails to update. It outlines potential causes like network configuration issues or disabled services, showing it's a known issue with documented fixes.


Troubleshoot Microsoft Defender Antivirus Security intelligence not getting updated


4. Scheduled Scans Failing or Getting Stuck


Users frequently report that scans they have scheduled either don't run as intended or hang during operation, leaving a question mark over the system's state of protection.


• Microsoft Learn - Troubleshooting Scans: While focused on troubleshooting, this official document implicitly acknowledges that scans can fail to run as expected. It details policy settings for "catch-up scans," which are specifically designed to run if a scheduled scan was missed—proving that missing scans is an anticipated problem.


Troubleshoot Microsoft Defender Antivirus scan issues


• Microsoft Q&A Forum: A user on Microsoft's own support forum reports a scheduled task for Windows Defender not working, showing a specific instance of this bug being discussed and troubleshooted within the community.


Windows Defender scheduled task not working on Windows 10


5. Interference and Performance Bottlenecks


For tech-savvy users, one of the most frustrating issues is when the security software interferes with high-performance tasks like software development, compiling code, or running virtual machines.


• Microsoft Developer Community: A software developer reports directly on the Visual Studio Developer Community forum that the "Microsoft Defender Antivirus Service" is slowing down the loading and compiling of solutions, even when exclusions are in place.


Microsoft Defender Antivirus Service Slowing Down Visual Studio


• Microsoft Q&A Discussion: In this thread, a user provides tangible evidence of extreme slowdowns. They timed a project build with real-time protection on and off, showing the build time jumping from 4 seconds to a staggering 86 seconds with Defender active.


Windows Defender Real Time Protection Service slowing down file access

Defender with a few ASR rules is ok, but considering how cheap you can find other AVs, the “use Defender” drama and the fallacy around it (Microsoft makes both so they know best, Defender is not vulnerable, Defender is the most stable) is not really needed.
Can you specify where exactly I called Microsoft an angel and said their software doesn't have bugs or vulnerabilities? I specifically mentioned that ALL software has bugs. Microsoft is no different.

The difference between Microsoft and 3rd party software is they control both, system and Defender. This means they can quickly fix whatever bug gets discovered. Kaspersky, for instance, doesn't have access to Windows code and will need some time before they will fix the vulnerability.

Btw CVE-2025-10035 is security vulnerability with GoAnywhere MFT software, not Microsoft Defender.
 
When I had my business PC's I found ESET and Kaspersky to be excellent as far as no system impact.
I concur. It might not have been clear when I offset Kaspersky from the other antiviruses (now that I'm banned from using it), but I would place it right around ESET for performance based on the passing memory. Every antivirus tends to have its own characteristic ups and downs for performance. Defender consistently slows down processing of folders with a lot of files, for example.

McAfee is practically in its own performance league with the next generation architecture, IMO.
 
Stop downloading and executing software/game cracks, cheat codes, and warez and you won't have such a security concern.


Microsoft already holds hostage more than 51% of the AV market. That makes it the de facto AV market.
I'm not defending piracy, but to be fair, current unoptimized games' prices are absolute madness. Like, on EGS, most are about 80 EUR. Lmao. No way I'm spending that money on a GAME.
 
I'm not defending piracy, but to be fair, current unoptimized games' prices are absolute madness. Like, on EGS, most are about 80 EUR. Lmao. No way I'm spending that money on a GAME.
Those that pirate stuff know where they can find 100% safe content, trust me.
 
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Stop downloading and executing software/game cracks, cheat codes, and warez and you won't have such a security concern.
If PC is dedicated for gaming with no personal data saved, it does not matter if get infected.
Just reinstall of Windows and non-infected games saved on usb drive 🙆‍♂️ and delete the game which introduced malware.
 
Ok guys, on MalwareTips according to the rules, we do not promote and advice for piracy, including but not limited to staying safe whilst doing it 🤷🏻‍♂️
Not promoting; explaining the "real-life" scenario to avoid being like the "academics" who do not get how it is going on outside the university in day-to-day practice.
 
Can you specify where exactly I called Microsoft an angel and said their software doesn't have bugs or vulnerabilities? I specifically mentioned that ALL software has bugs. Microsoft is no different.

The difference between Microsoft and 3rd party software is they control both, system and Defender. This means they can quickly fix whatever bug gets discovered. Kaspersky, for instance, doesn't have access to Windows code and will need some time before they will fix the vulnerability.

Btw CVE-2025-10035 is security vulnerability with GoAnywhere MFT software, not Microsoft Defender.
If WD were so wonderful, third-party antivirus wouldn't exist. They exist for a reason. WD will always be mediocre as long as it is made by Microsoft. Not all that glitters is gold. Despite being the most expensive company in the world, they make terrible mistakes. It's with watching XBOX. Any third party antivirus, Avast- Avira, Norton, Kaspersky, Bitdefender, Eset, etc... will be better than WD.
 
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Hello guys!
help plase becouse need security solution for my gaming PC. Spec r9 7950x3d 64gb od ram and Rtx 5090. I need good protection and lightest as possible suit. Im thinking between Eset premium,McAfee total security or stay with Windows defender. What will be best?
Regards

Any of the three AV will do.
But on my testing, Eset is the lightest,MD is mid then McAfee thou this is the bang for your bucks!

You got a very good system.
16C 32T with 64GB of RAM.
Even Bitdefender which is a resource hog will be negligible with that specs.
 
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Any of the three AV will do.
But on my testing, Eset is the lightest,MD is mid then McAfee thou this is the bang for your bucks!

You got a very good system.
16C 32T with 64GB of RAM.
Even Bitdefender which is a resource hog will be negligible with that specs.
Bitdefender is investing quite a lot on marketing. The other night on YouTube I had 10 minute ad for Bitdefender where a YouTuber was comparing it against Microsoft Defender for gamers. He concluded that Bitdefender is lighter, though obviously the whole thing is heavily sponsored (not to say scripted).

I decided to take a train yesterday instead of driving (going for drinks) and on the train:
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Looks like the various add-ons Bitdefender is now charging for (password manager, identity monitoring and so on) and the prices that almost hit 200 bucks in the US have left the Bitdefender sales director well staffed and satisfied. Ready to pay for expensive ads (on the tube they are not cheap at all, 2-week campaign is between 15 and 40 K GBP.

I took a pic specially to post it on here.
You see guys, I’m thinking of you 24/7.
 
Bitdefender is investing quite a lot on marketing. The other night on YouTube I had 10 minute ad for Bitdefender where a YouTuber was comparing it against Microsoft Defender for gamers. He concluded that Bitdefender is lighter, though obviously the whole thing is heavily sponsored (not to say scripted).

I decided to take a train yesterday instead of driving (going for drinks) and on the train:
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Looks like the various add-ons Bitdefender is now charging for (password manager, identity monitoring and so on) and the prices that almost hit 200 bucks in the US have left the Bitdefender sales director well staffed and satisfied.
Even in youtube, it's mostly Gravity Zone...ugghh. Another one is Eset, marketing is top notch.
They got money to burn in ADS. Better be put in R&D.
 
Even in youtube, it's mostly Gravity Zone...ugghh. Another one is Eset, marketing is top notch.
They got money to burn in ADS. Better be put in R&D.
R&D doesn’t sell. You can have a super amazing and developed product, until you invest generous revenues into marketing, that product is just gonna collect dust (be it digital one). Marketing is what sells.
 
I'm not defending piracy, but to be fair, current unoptimized games' prices are absolute madness. Like, on EGS, most are about 80 EUR. Lmao. No way I'm spending that money on a GAME.
Fairness has nothing to do with it. Either the behavior is legal or it is criminal.

I am 100% anti-piracy no matter what - no matter where they live - even dirt poor living on the massive dump outside of Bueno Aires.

I am 100% for governments taking down sites such as 123movies or Putlocker. and prosecuting ALL software pirates.

Heck, if it were up to me, I'd make everybody get a surveillance chimp implant and put agents in their socks. Plus, just like Natalia Kaspersky, I believe 100% of all data belongs to the state. So everyone's network stream would be monitored 24/7/365 from birth to death. Where the person goes, the state is there with them until they are pushing up the daisies.
 
If WD were so wonderful, third-party antivirus wouldn't exist. They exist for a reason. WD will always be mediocre as long as it is made by Microsoft. Not all that glitters is gold. Despite being the most expensive company in the world, they make terrible mistakes. It's with watching XBOX. Any third party antivirus, Avast- Avira, Norton, Kaspersky, Bitdefender, Eset, etc... will be better than WD.
Have you noticed that when Windows 10 came out and, with it, more capable Defender, every single AV company started adding more and more paid crap into their AV software? VPN, cleaner, software updater, driver updater, totally secure web browser and such, why do you think that happened?

Ever since Microsoft made Defender a competing product they all knew sooner or later, they won't be able to live of antivirus product forever. This is why all of those "advanced security" modules require payment. They have to keep their users no matter what so what they did was bundle crap into their beloved antivirus software and started charging for it, all in the name of security. This is what ultimately keeps them alive, but as Defender's marketshare grows more and more each year, they'll have to find another cow to milk.

Now you probably think I'm wrong, let me ask this—do you remember antivirus apps for Android back in 2011/2012? The antivirus apps were just scanners with option to locate a lost phone; nothing else.
Open any antivirus app today... what do you see? The antivirus of antivirus app being just 1%. Now these apps are VPN, cleaner, app locker, permission manager, network speed test, password manager and billion other things.

Do you know what happened and how we came here? Simple... Google released Play Protect, a antivirus built into Google Play. And in order for people to keep their crappy apps installed, they had to do something which is bundle bunch of crap into the app and begging users to buy it. It's like I saw this happening somewhere, sometime... oh yeah, on Windows!
 
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Just noticed it's the tube . if that's the same tube experience during my time their in London-sardines during rush hour then that's a lot of traffic.

Imagine one CISO of a major bank went to the tube, saw it and started to give it a try(enterprise) and was wowed.... That's £££££